2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Juzh » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm

yelistener wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:19 pm
Juzh wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:31 am
As promised, Verstappen's race onboard highlights with telemetry. This one is a real thrill.
Remember, if you're on mobile streamable will not give you full bitrate, it's much better if you download the clips directly to your phone from the google drive folder. I'm uploading stuff now, so it shouldn't be too long till it's all up there.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

Third and fifth parts are the best ones, but i wouldn't miss any of them.

part 1/5 - race start
https://streamable.com/g69md
https://streamable.com/g69md

part 2/5 - leclerc battle first stint
https://streamable.com/k19iw
https://streamable.com/k19iw

part 3/5 - leclerc battle second stint
https://streamable.com/s72zk
https://streamable.com/s72zk

part 4/5 - SC restart
https://streamable.com/cg9dw
https://streamable.com/cg9dw

part 5/5 - vettel battle
https://streamable.com/svep9
https://streamable.com/svep9
Beautiful work. Max even in dirty air from Vettel in front still took Copse with just a little lift minimum speed 284km/h. IIRC in 2016 it was sth like 260km/h in Q3. :lol:

Juzh, I have two shameless requests.
1) Lewis' first 5 laps with telemetry (massively attacking Bottas)
2) Bottas' fastest lap with telemetry if it was on T-cam
i'll do ham vs bot fight from ham's onboard, but im not gonna do any bottas clips.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by yelistener » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:20 pm

Juzh wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm
yelistener wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:19 pm
Juzh wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:31 am
As promised, Verstappen's race onboard highlights with telemetry. This one is a real thrill.
Remember, if you're on mobile streamable will not give you full bitrate, it's much better if you download the clips directly to your phone from the google drive folder. I'm uploading stuff now, so it shouldn't be too long till it's all up there.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

Third and fifth parts are the best ones, but i wouldn't miss any of them.

part 1/5 - race start
https://streamable.com/g69md
https://streamable.com/g69md

part 2/5 - leclerc battle first stint
https://streamable.com/k19iw
https://streamable.com/k19iw

part 3/5 - leclerc battle second stint
https://streamable.com/s72zk
https://streamable.com/s72zk

part 4/5 - SC restart
https://streamable.com/cg9dw
https://streamable.com/cg9dw

part 5/5 - vettel battle
https://streamable.com/svep9
https://streamable.com/svep9
Beautiful work. Max even in dirty air from Vettel in front still took Copse with just a little lift minimum speed 284km/h. IIRC in 2016 it was sth like 260km/h in Q3. :lol:

Juzh, I have two shameless requests.
1) Lewis' first 5 laps with telemetry (massively attacking Bottas)
2) Bottas' fastest lap with telemetry if it was on T-cam
i'll do ham vs bot fight from ham's onboard, but im not gonna do any bottas clips.
Thanks.

Silverstone 2019 is everything we hope for from post-2017 F1: Fast cars and intense fights from almost beginning to the end. So gotta save as many onboards as possible. :)

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:31 pm

shingles wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:02 pm
maguetox wrote:
etusch wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:32 am


Experience, yes it is important. But remember first race of Verstappen. He won it against experienced team mate who has been driving the car already for a long time.
Gasly is a fast driver. His problem is not driving fast. His problem is concentration and duration.
I am suspecting if he were aware of it when leclerc was just near of him. He lost concentration when he is under pressure of a rival. It was acceptable if it happened when he is driving alone.
He was lost his concentration last part of last season too.
Gasly made a good race because, if I recall correctly, since this past GP, he had Max setups at his disposal to see if he can improve its performance, what he did, so, in my mind, Gasly in not adding something representative to the team right now., unfortunate for him.
My opinion is Gasley just need to keep scoring as mich as possible. In order for RBR to win constructor (at some point), both drivers have to score as much as possible. Gasley just needs to make sure he can be in the top 6 in all races, then he is contributing to the team. The car is clearly capable of being up front. If Gasley can’t stay in front of the mid field, then it’s going to be a problem for him.
His team mate had performance made possible p2 finish (worst p3) by overtaking both Ferrari on track and Gasly overtook by a Ferrari. His real finish position is p6 and it is not good enough. They are not fighting McLaren they are fighting Ferrari for WCC

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by maguetox » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:55 pm

shingles wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:02 pm
maguetox wrote:
etusch wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:32 am


Experience, yes it is important. But remember first race of Verstappen. He won it against experienced team mate who has been driving the car already for a long time.
Gasly is a fast driver. His problem is not driving fast. His problem is concentration and duration.
I am suspecting if he were aware of it when leclerc was just near of him. He lost concentration when he is under pressure of a rival. It was acceptable if it happened when he is driving alone.
He was lost his concentration last part of last season too.
Gasly made a good race because, if I recall correctly, since this past GP, he had Max setups at his disposal to see if he can improve its performance, what he did, so, in my mind, Gasly in not adding something representative to the team right now., unfortunate for him.
My opinion is Gasley just need to keep scoring as mich as possible. In order for RBR to win constructor (at some point), both drivers have to score as much as possible. Gasley just needs to make sure he can be in the top 6 in all races, then he is contributing to the team. The car is clearly capable of being up front. If Gasley can’t stay in front of the mid field, then it’s going to be a problem for him.
Right now RBR have 52 points deficit against Ferrari (191 vrs 243) and the championship is almost halfway, so be 2nd at the end of the season is a possibility, that´s why RBR is helping Gasly with the setup information of Max, because there is a lot of millions of dollars on the table right now.
If Gasly wants to keep their seat for next season he needs to do an stellar job the next 6 or 7 races, if not he will be out of the team for next season.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:25 pm


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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by rogazilla » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:47 pm

Hard to imagine they let Max take the penalty at SPA. Maybe Max at Monza and Gas at SPA? Put spec 3 back in for Singapore and maybe Russia too. Then run spec 4 again from Japan on to end of season.

Max
spec 3: France, Austria, GB, Germany, Hungary, Belgium, Singapore (7 races)
spec 4: Italy, Russia, Japan, Mexico, US, Brazil, AD (7 races)

Gasly
spec 3: France, Austria, GB, Germany, Hungary, Singapore, Russia (7 races)
spec 4: Belgium, Italy, Japan, Mexico, US, Brazil, AD (7 races)

Or if spec 4 is ready as suggested by many report, take the penalty in Germany but save the spec 4 for later races.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by godlameroso » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:59 pm

But there will be 5 specs this year...
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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by rogazilla » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:07 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:59 pm
But there will be 5 specs this year...
That changes everything ;)

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:40 pm

The tiny change that is pushing Red Bull closer to pole

Although Silverstone did not give as spectacular a result for Red Bull as their victory in Austria, Max Verstappen’s best qualifying lap for the British Grand Prix was, in percentage terms, the closest the car has been to pole position all season.

Coming straight after the Austrian win, it confirms not only the progress being made by Honda with the upgraded motor introduced in France, but also a significant aerodynamic breakthrough made by the team.

Verstappen reports that since the new front wing in Austria, he finally has a car that feels connected up between front and rear, which can carry the entry speed through the whole corner without the previous rear instability.

The visual changes between the old wing and the new are tiny, but disproportionally significant, and are similar to those which made for a big improvement on the Mercedes earlier in the season, in Spain. The two key changes are a small profile change at the inboard end of the elements and a reshaping of the endplate, with a downward sweep of its upper edge for the rear two-thirds of its length.

In combination, these changes seem targeted at increasing the airflow feed to the barge boards around where there's a tiny cut-out on the third element. This cut-out creates a vortex that speeds up that flow to the barge boards and the reshaping of the profile around there will be to make that vortex stronger. If that airflow doesn’t carry enough energy, it can be difficult to have enough to feed both the underfloor and the body sides. Increasing the power of that vortex may be just enough to get the airflow past a threshold that allows that without compromising either the underfloor or body-side flow.

The endplate change may be related to the inboard changes. Reducing the height of the endplate wall suggests that the outboard ends of the wing elements were being overloaded and this reduction in the height of the endplate will release some of the pressure on that part of the wing – and use it instead to enhance the outwash around the front wheel.

It could be that the small changes made to the profile of the elements took that pressure at the outboard ends past a threshold of efficiency. There is only so much airflow around the wing to be manipulated and where it’s best directed is determined by pressure resistance.
Aerodynamicists try to ensure that the outwash airflow around the wheels remains outboard down the length of the car and doesn’t interfere with that downforce-producing airflow travelling down the sidepods on its way over the top and sides of the diffuser. The small vanes on the outer floor shown in the drawing are helping keep those two flows apart.

Red Bull have traditionally been very strong in building a lot of downforce from the front and underfloor. But the restriction of the under-wing turning vanes to three this year took that advantage away and they have taken this long to claw it back.

But now the breakthrough has been made, stand by for further gains
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Mark Hughes and Giorgio Piola
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... hdQkm.html

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by NL_Fer » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 pm

Juzh wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:31 am
As promised, Verstappen's race onboard highlights with telemetry. This one is a real thrill.
Remember, if you're on mobile streamable will not give you full bitrate, it's much better if you download the clips directly to your phone from the google drive folder. I'm uploading stuff now, so it shouldn't be too long till it's all up there.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

Third and fifth parts are the best ones, but i wouldn't miss any of them.

part 1/5 - race start
https://streamable.com/g69md
https://streamable.com/g69md

part 2/5 - leclerc battle first stint
https://streamable.com/k19iw
https://streamable.com/k19iw

part 3/5 - leclerc battle second stint
https://streamable.com/s72zk
https://streamable.com/s72zk

part 4/5 - SC restart
https://streamable.com/cg9dw
https://streamable.com/cg9dw

part 5/5 - vettel battle
https://streamable.com/svep9
https://streamable.com/svep9

Brilliant stuff, Max was great, but Leclerc was also excellent. Hard defensive driving, but save and fair. Also Gasly was fast after the restart. Now i understand Max could not overtake him so easy.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Raleigh » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:44 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:31 pm
shingles wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:02 pm
maguetox wrote:
Gasly made a good race because, if I recall correctly, since this past GP, he had Max setups at his disposal to see if he can improve its performance, what he did, so, in my mind, Gasly in not adding something representative to the team right now., unfortunate for him.
My opinion is Gasley just need to keep scoring as mich as possible. In order for RBR to win constructor (at some point), both drivers have to score as much as possible. Gasley just needs to make sure he can be in the top 6 in all races, then he is contributing to the team. The car is clearly capable of being up front. If Gasley can’t stay in front of the mid field, then it’s going to be a problem for him.
His team mate had performance made possible p2 finish (worst p3) by overtaking both Ferrari on track and Gasly overtook by a Ferrari. His real finish position is p6 and it is not good enough. They are not fighting McLaren they are fighting Ferrari for WCC
Gasly passed Vettel on track before the pitstops and then held good pace in the lead group despite being on the oldest tires. He did let Max through on team orders and was later passed by Charles (both drivers had a 2nd stop under safety car and were on fresher tires) but was able to stay close to Charles despite 9 lap older tires and finished only 4 seconds behind.

He drove a good race, competitive pace with Max, overtook Seb on merit and was only passed by Charles later on fresher tires.

Max meanwhile was committed to a 2 stop (Medium-Medium-Hard) and was one of the drivers to get lucky with the safety car and stop for free which is the only reason he might have been able to threaten Bottas, otherwise the best finish would have been fighting for 3rd in the Ferrari-Red Bull group.

Given that the 1 stop turned out to be optimum, he probably would have finished behind Gasly without the safety car.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by HPD » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:17 pm

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner believes it is a result of the improvements on the chassis side, as Verstappen is now applying the throttle in a different way to how "the car would allow" previously.

"I think it was just the speed at which Max is applying the throttle," said Horner.
"It is something that hasn't been seen before. So it is type of thing that can be tidied up on the dyno.
"I believe it is a Honda thing, but they seem to be quite confident about it."

Verstappen said during the British GP weekend that 'turbo lag' is a small issue that has occurred quite frequently.

It can usually be solved immediately by tweaking engine settings via the steering wheel. This could not be done at Silverstone.

Tanabe explained that the company is continuing its trackside analysis, to establish "what calibration we need to change and how much we need to change to fix that feeling or issue".

"We had a discussion with Max [about the specifics of the issue], which RPM, where in the throttle, how did he apply it and when did he feel lag," Tanabe said.
"Then we looked at the exact place."

Tanabe said Honda considers it a "big issue" for the company, the driver and the team "technically, in terms of performance and on the engineering side".

"It's not an issue that makes a failure," he said.
"It's a different type of issue.
"Our understanding is, it's a big issue.
"You can die, or you don't die. And you don't die [with this issue]."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14484 ... -lag-issue
There's a lot of talk about Honda improvements. But we also have to congratulate the Red Bull aerodynamic group. =D>

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by godlameroso » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:25 pm

Germany is going to have similar weather to Silverstone, albeit a bit warmer. Looks like the same tires will also be used. Given last race, will the medium to hard 1 stopper be the ideal strategy?

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:22 pm

Verstappen think that that lag caused him pole shot. If he could start to race from 3d we would see cleaner view about Redbull and Mercedes.
I hope they can split at least Mercedes' in Germany

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Snorked » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:57 pm

Honda thinking about a Suzuka special.
Q: Expectations also rise in Suzuka similar in layout and speed range in a good fight with Silverstone. Is there a special engine for Suzuka?

Asaki: "We will end up as to whether it is worth putting a special even if we receive a penalty. For us too, we would like to ask everyone in Japan to support us, and we hope to produce good results in the Japan Grand Prix There is also one, so I would like to make it to Suzuka if I do, but it is conditional that "if it does not reduce the points earned by the total,"
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2019 ... 1-rcg-moto

So, if there is a spec 5, this Suzuka special will see the spec 4 sacrificed and ran at max for the entire race. I hope they do it😁