2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Bill]

The difference between upgrades that works and a lemon,but we don't know about engine modes Ferrari usually runs conservative on practice

[GhostF1]

Hmm, so far it doesn't look extra-special with just P5/P6. Mercs had a faster lap on the Mediums (compared to RB ln Soft), Long runs significantly slower.
So far no fairytale sparks ...

I have no idea what is going on. RBR and Ferrari are now level-pegging but Mercedes are a second ahead? The only explanation is different programs between the teams due to the scattered weekend schedule.

[McMika98]

How much can the shift in performance be in regards to out of sync upgrades? It's obvious that Honda introduced it's final spec quite a few race after Mercedes and Ferrari. They also had time to validate all of the reliability with various teams before the main teams used them in anger. They did this without a grid penalty, now Honda will take their step forward and be in sync with the others in terms of upgrades.

Yes, Honda and RedBull are just sandbagging massively. Max only 6 tenths ahead of Sainz on Mclaren and seconds slower than Robotas. Oh yes Honda have a party mode as well.

[Marti_EF3]

Well, FP2 has clarified some things. At least they are close enough to the top

[godlameroso]

Verstappen is losing out in sector 2. That's the two degners, hairpin and spoon up to right before 130r

[GhostF1]

Verstappen is losing out in sector 2. That's the two degners, hairpin and spoon up to right before 130r

Certainly interesting. Max is near as makes no difference 1sec up on last years time. And in the PU centric sectors, we are losing no ground to either Merc or Ferrari. We'll see how the rest of session ends up but the engine step is shining pretty well at the moment.

[SmallSoldier]

Verstappen is losing out in sector 2. That's the two degners, hairpin and spoon up to right before 130r

Certainly interesting. Max is near as makes no difference 1sec up on last years time. And in the PU centric sectors, we are losing no ground to either Merc or Ferrari. We'll see how the rest of session ends up but the engine step is shining pretty well at the moment.

Hard to measure how the PU’s measure up since we don’t know which spec each team run... If Mercedes or Ferrari are running “Friday engines”, not only are they not in their latest spec, most probably they can’t use their highest power modes due to the mileage on those units.


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[lio007]

Any problems for Max in FP2, because 10 laps less than Alex?

[Juzh]

Any problems for Max in FP2, because 10 laps less than Alex?

he sat in a garage for 40 minutes for whatever reason

[loner]

Verstappen is losing out in sector 2. That's the two degners, hairpin and spoon up to right before 130r

Certainly interesting. Max is near as makes no difference 1sec up on last years time. And in the PU centric sectors, we are losing no ground to either Merc or Ferrari. We'll see how the rest of session ends up but the engine step is shining pretty well at the moment.

Hard to measure how the PU’s measure up since we don’t know which spec each team run... If Mercedes or Ferrari are running “Friday engines”, not only are they not in their latest spec, most probably they can’t use their highest power modes due to the mileage on those units.


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but would they do that while no running at Saturday and fp2 times could be the grid for the race?!!

[Juzh]

I beleive the lack of patience with RBR/Honda stems from a misconception that RBR racing was only missing a good relieable PU to push them over the top. This year, not unlike McLaren's 1st year with Renault, they've learned that they're lacking in other places as well.

That's simply not the case. Last's year RB was without a shaddow of doubt the best car on the grid chassis wise in later stages, but could not compete on most tracks because renault PU was 1s behind merc and even more to ferrari.

This year situation is different. Merc and ferrari have both came up with fundamentally better cars and neutered RB's advantage in this area. Had red bull not gotten a much more competitive engine in honda this year they would be absolutely nowhere, possibly even seconds adrift.

[Wouter]

Hard to measure how the PU’s measure up since we don’t know which spec each team run... If Mercedes or Ferrari are running “Friday engines”, not only are they not in their latest spec, most probably they can’t use their highest power modes due to the mileage on those units.


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It seems to me that everyone has used the racing engine. If the qualification is canceled,
counts the result of VT2. Hopefully nobody used the Friday engine and then it looks pretty good,
but Mercedes has again brought a considerable upgrade.

[search]

Certainly interesting. Max is near as makes no difference 1sec up on last years time. And in the PU centric sectors, we are losing no ground to either Merc or Ferrari. We'll see how the rest of session ends up but the engine step is shining pretty well at the moment.

Hard to measure how the PU’s measure up since we don’t know which spec each team run... If Mercedes or Ferrari are running “Friday engines”, not only are they not in their latest spec, most probably they can’t use their highest power modes due to the mileage on those units.


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but would they do that while no running at Saturday and fp2 times could be the grid for the race?!!

the announcement about FP2 times potentially counting for the starting grid was made after FP1, so too late to swap engines (and the chance for no qualifying on Sunday is minimal anyway). So I'd say yes, with high likeliness Ferrari and Mercedes were running old engines

[Ground Effect]

Hmm, so far it doesn't look extra-special with just P5/P6. Mercs had a faster lap on the Mediums (compared to RB ln Soft), Long runs significantly slower.
So far no fairytale sparks ...

I have no idea what is going on. RBR and Ferrari are now level-pegging but Mercedes are a second ahead? The only explanation is different programs between the teams due to the scattered weekend schedule.

You make good point there, could very well be the case.

[Ground Effect]

I beleive the lack of patience with RBR/Honda stems from a misconception that RBR racing was only missing a good relieable PU to push them over the top. This year, not unlike McLaren's 1st year with Renault, they've learned that they're lacking in other places as well.

That's simply not the case. Last's year RB was without a shaddow of doubt the best car on the grid chassis wise in later stages, but could not compete on most tracks because renault PU was 1s behind merc and even more to ferrari.

This year situation is different. Merc and ferrari have both came up with fundamentally better cars and neutered RB's advantage in this area. Had red bull not gotten a much more competitive engine in honda this year they would be absolutely nowhere, possibly even seconds adrift.

I think it's a case of cause and effect. Red Bull consistently end the year with probably the best car, which could be because they develop further into the season, to be able to pick up wins here and there. By this time, Mercedes and Ferrari have probably switched to their next years car, addressing rule changes. This usually leads to Red Bull being slow out of the box because they switch full focus late, then they are playing catch up. Next year the rules are stable, so Mercedes and Ferrari have the luxury of developing further into the season than usual. We can see the effect.