2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by charliesmithhd » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:32 am

Isn’t this the first time we split our strategy?

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:35 am

charliesmithhd wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:32 am

Isn’t this the first time we split our strategy?
I think this is the first time

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:43 am

_cerber1 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:35 am
charliesmithhd wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:32 am

Isn’t this the first time we split our strategy?
I think this is the first time
I can’t even remember Fernando and Stoffel splitting tyre choice.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:17 am

I don’t know what McLaren’s plans are, but surely they must see Renault now as the biggest threat. I’m genuinely concerned the gap will get bigger in France. If McLaren don’t have anything significant planned for Paul Ricard, I hope they will have for Silverstone.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:39 am

I'm sure Renault is too strong for McLaren. It is important not to let the rest go ahead.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Bill » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:46 am

Last week some of you were saying it will be piece of cake to maintain that fourth place but in one race Renault have reduced that gap to 2 points,I think some of u need a bit humility and be real

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:48 am

Bill wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:46 am
Last week some of you were saying it will be piece of cake to maintain that fourth place but in one race Renault have reduced that gap to 2 points,I think some of u need a bit humility and be real
The team won WCC at Bahrain...

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by diffuser » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:58 pm

M840TR wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:16 am
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 pm
M840TR wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:01 pm


Not with the tapered front wing.
The faster the air passes over that wing the More DF that wing will create. The rate it increases may or may not be at the same rate as other wings but it still increases. Don't say no.
Apologies for the brevity. What I meant is the tapered FW does not generate more downforce at higher speeds than the conventional. Of course any object passing through air has higher resistance with increase in speed, but relatively speaking the tapered FW doesn't generate the upwash that the other one does. Which is why the front end isn't as agile. F1 is all about relative performance; so for instance it wouldn't matter if a new car isn't as quick as the old one as long as it's better than the competition that year. Obviously the same applies to low-speed corners but aero usually isn't as significant in such scenarios.
The comparison to SF90 isn't as straight forward either. Sure the car is much better overall than the Mcl34 but that's not to suggest they don't share similar limiting factors because of mutual FW philosophies. Both have front-end DF issues which is a fact. Where the former excels is better aero (NB: Ferrari has an S-duct unlike Mclaren), mechanical and tyre management. If Mclaren keep developing the concept they'll probably reach similar performance levels but theoretically the ceiling is much lower to the front.

Idisagree you can say that and agree with Little soldier.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:36 pm

M840TR wrote:
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 pm
M840TR wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:01 pm
Not with the tapered front wing.
The faster the air passes over that wing the More DF that wing will create. The rate it increases may or may not be at the same rate as other wings but it still increases. Don't say no.
Apologies for the brevity. What I meant is the tapered FW does not generate more downforce at higher speeds than the conventional. Of course any object passing through air has higher resistance with increase in speed, but relatively speaking the tapered FW doesn't generate the upwash that the other one does. Which is why the front end isn't as agile. F1 is all about relative performance; so for instance it wouldn't matter if a new car isn't as quick as the old one as long as it's better than the competition that year. Obviously the same applies to low-speed corners but aero usually isn't as significant in such scenarios.
The comparison to SF90 isn't as straight forward either. Sure the car is much better overall than the Mcl34 but that's not to suggest they don't share similar limiting factors because of mutual FW philosophies. Both have front-end DF issues which is a fact. Where the former excels is better aero (NB: Ferrari has an S-duct unlike Mclaren), mechanical and tyre management. If Mclaren keep developing the concept they'll probably reach similar performance levels but theoretically the ceiling is much lower to the front.
The problem is that there was “one article” that said that Ferrari’s concept had less development potential than Mercedes... I would wait until the end of the season to see who effectively have developed more (a little early to tell)... That’s the only “theory” that the ceiling is lower with the current wing philosophy.

I don’t know if the tapered front wing is the right concept, but with the resources that both teamshave (Ferrari and Mclaren), I’m sure they are analyzing every possibility and by now have a clear idea of which is the better concept to invest in.


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:38 pm

Ground Effect wrote:I don’t know what McLaren’s plans are, but surely they must see Renault now as the biggest threat. I’m genuinely concerned the gap will get bigger in France. If McLaren don’t have anything significant planned for Paul Ricard, I hope they will have for Silverstone.
I’m sure Mclaren always had Renault and Haas as their biggest threats... I don’t think the team has came out at any point saying that they are leading the midfield or comfortably making it to Q3.


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by ALO_Power » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Meanwhile random thing, but the McLaren F1 Team's store is down for many days.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by NiyolHuayra » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:01 pm

Bill wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:46 am
Last week some of you were saying it will be piece of cake to maintain that fourth place but in one race Renault have reduced that gap to 2 points,I think some of u need a bit humility and be real
You and every person here know that this weekend would have been a whole lot better if it weren't for NOR failure, and SAI early lap incident with the visor plastic. And to jump to conclusion after McLaren were better at every race up to this point. So wait for a fair race and judge then.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Xero » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:33 pm

It's impossible to call the order of the midfield right now. One thing I will say is McLaren seem to be slightly more consistent than the others. The pace at Montreal was really good , just back luck and a small mistake costing the team some points. 1/3 through the season and still 4th in the standings, not too bad given the circumstances.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Andres125sx » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:50 am

mwillems wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:04 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:56 am
mwillems wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:43 pm


I'm not sure anyone has looked at mechanical failures / issues and blamed the drivers, it's just you putting that out there I think, but if it suits you're narrative then i dont mind 😊
Well, you said he ruined 3 races himself even when you can´t provide a reason for the third (first two are laughable btw), but keep blaming him so... :roll:
Once more misquuoting. I said he compromised, not ruined, seems you have a little agenda.
Both imply a mistake from the driver wich didn´t happen and is the point, so please do not hide behind semantics

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mwillems » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:47 am

Andres125sx wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:50 am
mwillems wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:04 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:56 am


Well, you said he ruined 3 races himself even when you can´t provide a reason for the third (first two are laughable btw), but keep blaming him so... :roll:
Once more misquuoting. I said he compromised, not ruined, seems you have a little agenda.
Both imply a mistake from the driver wich didn´t happen and is the point, so please do not hide behind semantics
It's not semantics its blants misrepresentation, and if you were so convinced your opinion was correct you wouldnt need to do it. You betray your own argument with your behaviours, repeatedly deliberately twisting, changing and putting words into my mouth and then following that with childish emojis, It's like talking to Donald Trump on Twitter. I've trolled the troll enough now, you can carry on berating folks for not sharing your opinion now, although we both know this is because I called you out a few days back for being rude to someone after having a bad day 😂😂😂