2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Darth-Piekus wrote:I would say not super 4th clear but overall the 4th best team. So how much must we cover to be able to go for the big prize and how much more so we can dominate?
What do you mean how much to cover? How much performance?

They need to find 2 seconds during winter, which I’m afraid it’s not something that should be expected (we are 1.5 seconds on average behind the leaders and they will probably find half a second during winter).


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Happy for McLaren getting that 4th place secured. While I'm afraid next year this is also the best they can achieve I hope in 2021 they'll be up there where they belong again.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 23:33
I don’t think that it is wrong to be critical of the team... The fact that you may be a fan doesn’t meant that you have to be blind to the areas of improvement / opportunity that are there for the team, sometimes unrelated to even the car concept.

The team needs to improve their pit stops, need to continue to develop their strategy among others... Recognizing that this are issues that have to be addressed if they really want to join the top 3 at some point is key.

I’m amazed at the improvement of the team from year on year in regards to their performance, still a long way to go and happy to watch their journey... But, they need to address those nagging issues that on paper, should be easier to address than a change of concept of the car
I agree with you conpletely. As the football coach José Mourinho says: “when the fans no longer boo at you after you draw or lose, you are no longer a top team”.

In fact, we aren’t a top team anymore. But to get back up there, it’s the mindset that needs to change first. The progression the team has made is good. Now, it has to become even better.

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Damage to both cars in the same area

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Ground Effect wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 23:11
Darth-Piekus wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 23:00
So question. How much must we cover in order to be able to challenge for the championship against the Mercedes?
That’s a near impossible target in the short to medium term. But I think they’ll need to make a net gain of 1.2-1.5secs with the way things currently stand, to challenge the top 3
Agreed. Think the next step should be to try to beat the straggler from the top 6 now and again.

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That’s a near impossible target in the short to medium term. But I think they’ll need to make a net gain of 1.2-1.5secs with the way things currently stand, to challenge the top 3
I thought mclaren had one of the best chassis but why are still struggling to get at least a podium?

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gokarter wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 04:17
That’s a near impossible target in the short to medium term. But I think they’ll need to make a net gain of 1.2-1.5secs with the way things currently stand, to challenge the top 3
I thought mclaren had one of the best chassis but why are still struggling to get at least a podium?
Engine... but they are doing better than the works team so you may have something there with the chassis

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diffuser wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 02:58
Agreed. Think the next step should be to try to beat the straggler from the top 6 now and again.
With the financial regulations and payout structure changing post 2020/21, I guess it's possible to run a good 4th/5th placed customer team (McL, RP) in a cost neutral way. How much they front-load expenses next year (before 175M cap comes in) will be a good indicator if they really want to be a top 3 team. In comparison to RP which I think will shoot for a sustainable 4/5th place.

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nzjrs wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:05
diffuser wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 02:58
Agreed. Think the next step should be to try to beat the straggler from the top 6 now and again.
With the financial regulations and payout structure changing post 2020/21, I guess it's possible to run a good 4th/5th placed customer team (McL, RP) in a cost neutral way. How much they front-load expenses next year (before 175M cap comes in) will be a good indicator if they really want to be a top 3 team. In comparison to RP which I think will shoot for a sustainable 4/5th place.
Pretty sure none of those 2 teams or the teams below them are at 175 M.

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subcritical71 wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 04:24
gokarter wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 04:17
That’s a near impossible target in the short to medium term. But I think they’ll need to make a net gain of 1.2-1.5secs with the way things currently stand, to challenge the top 3
I thought mclaren had one of the best chassis but why are still struggling to get at least a podium?
Engine... but they are doing better than the works team so you may have something there with the chassis
It's not a PU problem. Its the chassis.

Don't forget the regulations changed....

From what we've seen them testing,
1- the front suspension can be improved.
2-They keep tweaking the diffuser.
3-I think they need a little more work in the barge board area.

In short, they're still not generating enough DF and it still needs to be cleaner DF.

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diffuser wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:18
nzjrs wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:05
diffuser wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 02:58
Agreed. Think the next step should be to try to beat the straggler from the top 6 now and again.
With the financial regulations and payout structure changing post 2020/21, I guess it's possible to run a good 4th/5th placed customer team (McL, RP) in a cost neutral way. How much they front-load expenses next year (before 175M cap comes in) will be a good indicator if they really want to be a top 3 team. In comparison to RP which I think will shoot for a sustainable 4/5th place.
Pretty sure none of those 2 teams or the teams below them are at 175 M.
Yes, but I wonder what the sustainable equilibrium is for a customer team once the cost cap is in, and the money re-distribution is a bit more equal. 2020 will say a lot about MCLs intentions I believe.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 00:48
Damage to both cars in the same area

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Carlos also had damage to the front of the bottom, the video showed an uneven clearance under the chassis.

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RonDennis wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 15:31
Petrobras is officially gone.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/inside-t ... e-results/
Because of Mercedes engine switch ?

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nzjrs wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:43
diffuser wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:18
nzjrs wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 12:05


With the financial regulations and payout structure changing post 2020/21, I guess it's possible to run a good 4th/5th placed customer team (McL, RP) in a cost neutral way. How much they front-load expenses next year (before 175M cap comes in) will be a good indicator if they really want to be a top 3 team. In comparison to RP which I think will shoot for a sustainable 4/5th place.
Pretty sure none of those 2 teams or the teams below them are at 175 M.
Yes, but I wonder what the sustainable equilibrium is for a customer team once the cost cap is in, and the money re-distribution is a bit more equal. 2020 will say a lot about MCLs intentions I believe.

My suspicions are the whole cost Cap effect will be felt gradually over the years.

First Off it only kicks in at the end of 2020 when all car Manufactures are 75% done the car Designs. Who's to say they will not Spend the over cap part of the 2021 budget in 2020, since they will not be able to spend it in 2021, and be 95% done?

Also I think the Cap is too high so it will take a few years to fill it. Also the teams will find ways around the cap and it will take the FIA some time to close the loop holes.

Oh and don't the more balanced Money payouts from Liberty not kick in till 2022 ?

So don't take 2021 as anything more than a great starting point.