[ 2020 ] Scuderia Ferrari - Ferrari

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Juzh wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:15 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:14 pm
Juzh wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:41 am

What championship lol? The year is lost but that doesn't mean you can just send it left and right and destroy other peoples' races constantly.
So? Mistakes happen :lol: Got a penalty for it too (which i felt was unfair cuz perez won the race anywayz), but its fine. Saw a gap and took it. I doubt anyone would have anticipated Perez literally moving between two extremes of the track anyways
There's a corner going right at that point on the track you know? Perez even left some room on the inside in case someone was going to try and squeeze there, but you can't account for a car completely out of control with locked wheels doing a yolo all or nothing move.

Those mistake that just so "happen" are happening too often now. Leclerc wrecked verstappen in japan last year, then wrecked both ferrari in austria this year, then would've wrecked them again had seb not jumped out of the way, and has now wrecked verstappen's race again (and his own). Perez got saved by safety cars and other shenaningans happening on track, if not for those things he'd be barely in the points.
This season is a wash so those errors are gonna end up forgotten, but Charles needs to mature fast from gung ho youngster to lead driver otherwise he's gonna hear about it worst than Sebastian pretty soon.

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Juzh wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:15 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:14 pm
Juzh wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:41 am

What championship lol? The year is lost but that doesn't mean you can just send it left and right and destroy other peoples' races constantly.
So? Mistakes happen :lol: Got a penalty for it too (which i felt was unfair cuz perez won the race anywayz), but its fine. Saw a gap and took it. I doubt anyone would have anticipated Perez literally moving between two extremes of the track anyways
There's a corner going right at that point on the track you know? Perez even left some room on the inside in case someone was going to try and squeeze there, but you can't account for a car completely out of control with locked wheels doing a yolo all or nothing move.

Those mistake that just so "happen" are happening too often now. Leclerc wrecked verstappen in japan last year, then wrecked both ferrari in austria this year, then would've wrecked them again had seb not jumped out of the way, and has now wrecked verstappen's race again (and his own). Perez got saved by safety cars and other shenaningans happening on track, if not for those things he'd be barely in the points.
Nah, blame goes to Lec ofc but I think Perez moving the way he did was a big factor that led to him crashing. Perez left a big gap and then suddenly covered it up after the apex. Not cool, but happens in first laps.
As for mistakes, not to put down Max, but he was a sort of torpedo himself in his beginning years :lol:

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You could see Checo’s move coming from a mile away, hell I’ve done it. I’m not convinced Leclerc was even going to make the corner.

You usually dive for the apex not expecting someone to be straight lining it up the inside. The braking zones are so short on these F1 cars, that you really can’t see it coming.1s (or 2s, literally) they are way back there, then they are into you.

As pointed out earlier, this is his second incident in the same fashion, third if you count an almost miss. Could you imagine this place if Grosjean did this? His youth can be written off, these guys have hundreds of races under their belt by the time they get to F1. They know how this works

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I don’t think he’s particularly hotheaded myself — I think he’s remarkably calm and collected (at least over team radio) for a young driver. But I do think he had his expectations unfairly(?) raised by 2 podiums. That then made everyone around him put him on a pedestal and he’s trying to reachieve that week in week out — overdriving. After a fashion, (on track) it’s kinda reminiscent for me of Hamilton’s 2011.
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raymondu999 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:05 am
I don’t think he’s particularly hotheaded myself — I think he’s remarkably calm and collected (at least over team radio) for a young driver. But I do think he had his expectations unfairly(?) raised by 2 podiums. That then made everyone around him put him on a pedestal and he’s trying to reachieve that week in week out — overdriving. After a fashion, (on track) it’s kinda reminiscent for me of Hamilton’s 2011.
You raise an interesting point, how much can he gain through experience and more polish?

Braking distances are very short in F1. So short in fact that human reaction time plays a bigger role than if it were longer. LeClerc made his decision to brake too late, did not account for lag in reaction time. No person can react faster than .2 to a novel situation. When the braking event is .8 seconds, that's a quarter of the total event that can be influenced by reaction time.

Experience will teach you to anticipate. Part of having experience is experience with other racers, how often has LeClerc raced Perez wheel to wheel? You saw Verstappen gave Leclerc space because they've raced together, they can anticipate each other's behavior.
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It's not even "that's a signature Perez" move. Charles wasn't going to be anywhere close to making the apex... Checo could have blown the apex by 3' and still likely have been hit. Lastly, Checo diving for the apex was always going to happen. You could see it coming from a mile away and it was his corner anyway. Charles messed up, plain and simple.

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raymondu999 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 am
All part of the masterplan. I don’t think it’s appropriate to say Resta designed those cars but he certainly did head up the design teams
I find it really weird that he gets sent off to Alfa after heading the design of a highly competent car(suppousedly with the design group "stacked" and "organized" he would be better utilized elsewhere), brought back after things go sideways and then sent off again...

What is it with Ferrari and Simone Resta, why can't they decide if they can use him or not?

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I don't think it's with Ferrari/Simone, I think it's with Ferrari/general management of talent.
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Sevach wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:08 pm
raymondu999 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 am
All part of the masterplan. I don’t think it’s appropriate to say Resta designed those cars but he certainly did head up the design teams
I find it really weird that he gets sent off to Alfa after heading the design of a highly competent car(suppousedly with the design group "stacked" and "organized" he would be better utilized elsewhere), brought back after things go sideways and then sent off again...

What is it with Ferrari and Simone Resta, why can't they decide if they can use him or not?
Maybe it went something like....

Ah, if they let me have my way we would have the best car on the grid, but others want this that and the other.

Well if you feel like that, show us.
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Some interesting words from Binotto on the (crazy) pressure coming from Marchionne back then:

The pressure was there, no doubt. That was the most difficult thing dealing with him. The pressure was such that you had always your mobile [phone] next to you, day and night, because if he was sending you a WhatsApp, you had to reply within 30 seconds. That’s the type of pressure he was putting you under. If you were not answering immediately to whatever text or message he was sending you, then it was clearly a bad start to the day.

Living with the phone next to you was not easy. That was the type of pressure, certainly his way of putting pressure, making sure that you are always awake, always ready to reply. He'd text me in the middle of the race as well. Maybe not in the middle of the night but early morning no doubt.
Asked if Marchionne pushed them to grey zones:
Could be. Could be. I think, first, it’s part of the sport try to interpret the grey zone of the regulations.I think in that respect all the teams are doing it. But then it’s what you interpret as grey or not grey. I think it’s obviously always a limit which is very borderline and difficult. But yes he certainly pushed us – not me, but us – a lot to develop the grey areas as much as we could.

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LM10 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:35 pm
Some interesting words from Binotto on the (crazy) pressure coming from Marchionne back then:

The pressure was there, no doubt. That was the most difficult thing dealing with him. The pressure was such that you had always your mobile [phone] next to you, day and night, because if he was sending you a WhatsApp, you had to reply within 30 seconds. That’s the type of pressure he was putting you under. If you were not answering immediately to whatever text or message he was sending you, then it was clearly a bad start to the day.

Living with the phone next to you was not easy. That was the type of pressure, certainly his way of putting pressure, making sure that you are always awake, always ready to reply. He'd text me in the middle of the race as well. Maybe not in the middle of the night but early morning no doubt.
Asked if Marchionne pushed them to grey zones:
Could be. Could be. I think, first, it’s part of the sport try to interpret the grey zone of the regulations.I think in that respect all the teams are doing it. But then it’s what you interpret as grey or not grey. I think it’s obviously always a limit which is very borderline and difficult. But yes he certainly pushed us – not me, but us – a lot to develop the grey areas as much as we could.
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Sevach wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:08 pm
raymondu999 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 am
All part of the masterplan. I don’t think it’s appropriate to say Resta designed those cars but he certainly did head up the design teams
I find it really weird that he gets sent off to Alfa after heading the design of a highly competent car(suppousedly with the design group "stacked" and "organized" he would be better utilized elsewhere), brought back after things go sideways and then sent off again...

What is it with Ferrari and Simone Resta, why can't they decide if they can use him or not?
They still plan on using Resta. This move not only helps their relations with Haas f1 team, but also helps them manage his pay (no pay cut) in accordance with the budget cap. They must be getting Haas wind tunnel time as well i guess

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Did anyone post this article about Ferrari explaining slow pitstops this year? (I got it from motorsport, but autosport or any other will probably have it too)
"It's true that the number of stops over 3.5 seconds is too high by the Scuderia's past standards, but the vast majority of times that there has been a less than optimal stop, it has been down to a specific problem linked to the wheel nut," said Diego Ioverno, Ferrari's vehicle operation engineer.

"The thread is not strong enough and so the nut has stripped several times. It's a reliability problem we are working hard on to fix for next year.

"When the guys feel, even unconsciously, that they are using a component that is more at risk, with a margin of error for engaging the wheel-gun that is much smaller, that has a negative effect on the whole procedure...."
Makes a lot of sense I guess. This season seems to have a lot of factors pulling them down tough!

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bosyber wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:22 am
Did anyone post this article about Ferrari explaining slow pitstops this year? (I got it from motorsport, but autosport or any other will probably have it too)
"It's true that the number of stops over 3.5 seconds is too high by the Scuderia's past standards, but the vast majority of times that there has been a less than optimal stop, it has been down to a specific problem linked to the wheel nut," said Diego Ioverno, Ferrari's vehicle operation engineer.

"The thread is not strong enough and so the nut has stripped several times. It's a reliability problem we are working hard on to fix for next year.

"When the guys feel, even unconsciously, that they are using a component that is more at risk, with a margin of error for engaging the wheel-gun that is much smaller, that has a negative effect on the whole procedure...."
Makes a lot of sense I guess. This season seems to have a lot of factors pulling them down tough!
I remember Seb saying something similar after the last race when asked about his botched pit stop. He said that they have a difficult car for pit stops and that he's feeling sorry for the pit crew getting the blame. He didnt specify though what the issue with the car was so thank you.

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After returning to the F1 paddock for last weekend's Sakhir Grand Prix, Binotto is understood to have become ill while he was still in Bahrain, and will fly directly back to Italy.

Team sources have assured Autosport that Binotto has not contracted COVID-19, but is instead suffering from a simple indisposition.

It means the reins for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix weekend will be again handed over to Ferrari F1 sporting director, Laurent Mekies.