I don't want to get drawn into the luck conversation again because it is very subjective and contentious, but I "feel" like the luck has swung around relatively evenly through the season.diffuser wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:27 pmI guess I'm just being the devil's advocate here but ...Ground Effect wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:55 am100% spot on! I dare say even Checo on his best day hasn’t gotten the best out of that car, as impressive as he’s been. It’s definitely worth a lot more than 2 podiums. There’s a reason why Seb is happy to go there, someone of his calibre and relatively young age should be thinking winning team or bust. So McLaren have done well to have kept in the fight, with all the complications of preparing for next season and testing future parts etc. But so far, RP have underachieved, no doubt about it.mwillems wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:55 am
This was originally a reply to a fanboy, but Ross Brawn made the same points this week, that RP underperformed this year and Mclaren overperformed, putting it down to them being a well oiled team. So I thought I'd post it since Darth Piekius didn't want to think we got third as much as because of others poor performance as our own decent ones.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ross-braw ... performed/
If we are honest, we did well to keep hanging in and around third for the past few races so that when we had a lucky break we were well positioned to take it. The RP is up there with the Merc and Red Bull in terms of car quality, but you cannot say the same for us, unfortunately.
Don't forget , if you give back the penality points to RP, they'd be 2 points behind. Add to that, both RP drivers have gotten covid, something that wouldn't happen in a normal year. I'd have to say they've been ATLEAST average.
It is a perception or Opinion that another driver can get more out of the car. if you beleive that RP is the 2019 Merc. Then if we look at how he compares against Hamilton 2019 Bahrain...
Sergio PEREZ Bahrain 2020 1:28.322 Lewis Hamilton Bahrain 2019 1:28.190Being a 10th off Hamilton when he was behind Ferrari in Q3, you know he's flat out, is pretty good.
Regarding the 15 points, I agree. But they have also been racing with what is likely a more advanced part then they would otherwise have had so I don't know if having designed their own part, they might have been slower enough that we would have taken 7 points away from them and to ourselves.
You could of course be entirely right in your opinion, but I do feel that the Pink Merc is sufficiently faster that it should have trounced us, and as evidence of this, I would point to Strolls lack of performance and points. Because if there was a comparable driver to Checo in the car, 3rd would most likely be wrapped up by now for RP, or very close to it.
I don't agree with you myself but I think your devils advocate is entirely appropriate.