Renault are more competitive at point & squirt tracks, which thankfully of which there are many coming up on the calendar.
No.search wrote:starting on softs, and with an advantage on the straights... any chance for Ricciardo to lead the race after lap 1 tomorrow?!
Crystal ball?Justthatek wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020, 23:30No.search wrote:starting on softs, and with an advantage on the straights... any chance for Ricciardo to lead the race after lap 1 tomorrow?!
There is a chance but is likely in the 1-2% range. Making up 5 spots is a big ask.Mchamilton wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020, 23:59Crystal ball?Justthatek wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020, 23:30No.search wrote:starting on softs, and with an advantage on the straights... any chance for Ricciardo to lead the race after lap 1 tomorrow?!
More a function of existing politics and pricing than anything else really. Haas and Alfa are too tied to Ferrari. Alpha Tauri and Red Bull get free engines from Honda. Williams and Racing Point have long existing ties in the hybrid era to Merc and McLaren have long history with them. Also the question of cost crops up. If McLaren are offered a lower price and clearly superior packaging then they are going to take it. Also keep in mind the decision was taken in 2019 when the disastrous reliability of 2018 Renault engines was fresh(particularly for Ricciardo), though in hindsight some of that can be ascribed to Red Bull being too aggressive with packaging.
Don't think it makes sense for Williams. They already get a discount for Russel in the team till next year atleast, and well overall Merc is still better overall in power, efficiency and packaging. What incentive would be there for Williams to pay more and switch from the best engine? Also don't see Honda dropping out with Tsunoda odds on for the AT seat next year and Max with an unlikely but not improbable title tilt next year.
Renault would probably paid for a pilot seat (as theiy need something to develop their junior path). Second, renault tried to set up a deal (exchange of non listed parts) with mclaren, don't know exactly what is the status for 2021 in term of std aprts and listes parts, but imagine renault focus on PU and break system and mcl gearbox and suspension, both team exchanging their dvpt to the other team. Coud save I don't know, 30M€ each. Win / win deal.tangodjango wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020, 18:05Don't think it makes sense for Williams. They already get a discount for Russel in the team till next year atleast, and we'll overall Merc is still better overall in power, efficiency and packaging. What incentive would be there for Williams to pay more and switch from the best engine? Also don't see Honda dropping out with Tsunoda odds on for the AT seat next year and Max with an unlikely but not improbable title tilt next year.
Obviously Renault would need to charge less. Williams could be supplied with discounted engines in exchange for extensive Renault signage as per their previous deal. There could be the chance for Williams to take Renault gearbox, suspension and uprights for cost cutting while using the same wind tunnel. A Williams-Renault win is a Renault win.tangodjango wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020, 18:05What incentive would be there for Williams to pay more and switch from the best engine?
It doesn't make too much sense post 2022 anymore, because of standardization and budget cap, additionally certain parts will be open sourced so I guess incentives for joint development disappear that way, but if Renault continue progress then perhaps one of the smaller teams will bet on them post 2022, especially if they crack a top 3.zack! wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020, 18:21Renault would probably paid for a pilot seat (as theiy need something to develop their junior path). Second, renault tried to set up a deal (exchange of non listed parts) with mclaren, don't know exactly what is the status for 2021 in term of std aprts and listes parts, but imagine renault focus on PU and break system and mcl gearbox and suspension, both team exchanging their dvpt to the other team. Coud save I don't know, 30M€ each. Win / win deal.tangodjango wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020, 18:05Don't think it makes sense for Williams. They already get a discount for Russel in the team till next year atleast, and we'll overall Merc is still better overall in power, efficiency and packaging. What incentive would be there for Williams to pay more and switch from the best engine? Also don't see Honda dropping out with Tsunoda odds on for the AT seat next year and Max with an unlikely but not improbable title tilt next year.
