2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

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It could be a directional 'burr' that stops the gauge if pushed from behind as it 'raises' the fabric but fails when 'pushed' by air from the front.
In the manner of Ross Brawns 'fuzzy edges' on his namesake car. Max was maybe asked how solid the edge was in both directions?
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So maybe the team asked Max to do something? Maybe sighting that Vettel always used to look at competitors cars.

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You can see it here clearly but you need the closed DRS flap as a reference. I believe the aft part of the main plane, near trailing edge, is not connected to the end plates and is flexible. Must be what Max was feeling.


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That's a reflection or the sun shining through the gap, no? The trailing edge is higher than the white line that appears.
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Nope, you see it changing on the straight, gap closing on braking and increasing on acceleration. Also you can see the shadow of the Aramco billboard through it at +/- 14 seconds.

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Oh yea i was looking for the wrong gap ... this right here.
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Seems to be consistent across the whole span though just not as visible with the dark tarmac? Could very well be caused by the 'standard' tilting of the wing.

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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:12 pm
Oh yea i was looking for the wrong gap ... this right here.
https://i.imgur.com/1sbauw2.png
Seems to be consistent across the whole span though just not as visible with the dark tarmac? Could very well be cause by the 'standard' tilting of the wing as well.
This is footage from France is it not? The test have become more stringent since then so I doubt any gap that was occurring then could still pass testing today.
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I don't believe Merc ever had to change their RWs, you could observe the gap getting bigger on all low-ish downforce/shallow wings. Check out RBR footage from Baku or Silverstone for example.

Quick n dirty and exaggerated but it illustrates the point:
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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:33 pm
I don't believe Merc ever had to change their RWs, you could observe the gap getting bigger on all low-ish downforce/shallow wings. Check out RBR footage from Baku or Silverstone for example.

Quick n dirty and exaggerated but it illustrates the point:
https://i.imgur.com/gGfCJbj.png
Faithful illustration

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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:33 pm
I don't believe Merc ever had to change their RWs, you could observe the gap getting bigger on all low-ish downforce/shallow wings. Check out RBR footage from Baku or Silverstone for example.

Quick n dirty and exaggerated but it illustrates the point:
https://i.imgur.com/gGfCJbj.png
Yeah I think this is what is happening in that video too. Still wondering what RB is looking at. I am intrigued to say the least. :mrgreen:

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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:33 pm
I don't believe Merc ever had to change their RWs, you could observe the gap getting bigger on all low-ish downforce/shallow wings. Check out RBR footage from Baku or Silverstone for example.

Quick n dirty and exaggerated but it illustrates the point:
https://i.imgur.com/gGfCJbj.png
that will probably contribute, but then again;

I checked in Baku the gap was already there in low speed. It isnt really changing on the straight. Not in same amount of the Mercs in France. I watched some other cars onboard footage of the French GP. On not a single car is the gap changing so much as on the Mercs. So or the main plane is more flexible or the tot RW in itself is still flexing a lot. :D

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I think it was well established that the Mercedes RW was flexing the least at the beginning of the season and iirc after all the changes to the testing procedure as well.

The gaps 100% change, even if marginally. The shape and positioning of the elements to each other will also contribute to the observable changes in the gap and will also determine whether it is already visible at low speed.

Ask yourself this ... If it was as obvious as you make it out to be then why
- do they themselves say it's hard to see (check related articles)
- did they only realize it now
- did they (supposedly) have two notebooks full of 'proof' when they went to the FIA
- did they have several other theories to explain the top speed advantage first

They could have taken said footage and ran to the FIA right away, no?

BTW: People here were already bringing up the change in the gap as proof of the wing flexing as a whole when it was a hot topic ...

IMHO that short clip is not the silver bullet you believe it is.

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Here's something you don't see very often, Lewis doing a track walk/ride!

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dans79 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:17 pm
Here's something you don't see very often, Lewis doing a track walk/ride!

I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. Great stuff.

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zibby43 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:06 pm
dans79 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:17 pm
Here's something you don't see very often, Lewis doing a track walk/ride!

I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. Great stuff.
How things quickly change when you get a proper competitor alongside:
https://racingnews365.com/hamilton-does ... rack-walks

Must be also that this is a new track. On the other hand he changed his mind about of the simulator as well, since he did extra mileage in it before British GP.
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