2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

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214270 wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 11:29 am
It’s interesting that these hirings all seem to be promotions rather than moving across for more money. I think that element is unusual, no?
Who's to say it's not both? Typically in the same industry, pay is comparable and these 5 all seem to get promotions that likely pay more, too - at least IMO.

If you listen to Toto Wolff's Beyond the Grid or High Performance Podcast interview (can't remember which one), they ask him how they keep their best employees from being poached and having the talent structure fall apart. Essentially, he says that he's constantly trying to give people more responsibility, more input, and more growth. Basically the same thing that RBR has offered them. Perhaps it was a better offer, or perhaps these 5 aren't the best of the best, and thus never got offered these promotions from Merc.

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I'm not sure where he got the 900 number, but This is what Wolff had to say about HPP staff going to Red Bull.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/07/red ... -15-wolff/
“It’s pretty obvious that if you want to set up an engine factory in the UK, there’s only one and that’s us,” he told Sky. “We have 900 or so employees there. And if you’re fishing out 15 of these or so, that’s that’s pretty normal.

“But they went mainly after manufacturing staff so it’s not really [for] performance. I guess they want to build up the company. But credit to the project, it’s a Mount Everest to climb and I’d like to have a fight with Red Bull power units.”

“I think they have approached 100 people or and they got 15, maybe,” he added.

Wolff did not deny he offered to double the salaries of his staff in order to encourage them to stay, as claimed by Red Bull motorsport Helmut Marko. But he suggested Red Bull’s offers may have gone beyond that.

“Doubling the salaries is one thing but if you triple them, at a certain stage, you’re not going to compete anymore, even for loyal people.

“But it is what it is. I respect everybody that wants to defend his business or build their business and retaliation time has not yet come.”
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Interesting that the acquisitions were on the manufacturing side, not the performance side.

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zibby43 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:15 pm
Interesting that the acquisitions were on the manufacturing side, not the performance side.
They have no expertise in building engines, and I'm betting most of the performance people will be the current Honda people that choose to stay. Not to mention March 1st 2022 is the deadline to have your frozen PU spec in place, and those are probably well underway already!
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Amg hpp is at lesst a good mixture of people from Ilmor Renault and Cosworth.

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dans79 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 3:47 pm
I'm not sure where he got the 900 number, but This is what Wolff had to say about HPP staff going to Red Bull.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/07/red ... -15-wolff/
“It’s pretty obvious that if you want to set up an engine factory in the UK, there’s only one and that’s us,” he told Sky. “We have 900 or so employees there. And if you’re fishing out 15 of these or so, that’s that’s pretty normal.

“But they went mainly after manufacturing staff so it’s not really [for] performance. I guess they want to build up the company. But credit to the project, it’s a Mount Everest to climb and I’d like to have a fight with Red Bull power units.”

“I think they have approached 100 people or and they got 15, maybe,” he added.

Wolff did not deny he offered to double the salaries of his staff in order to encourage them to stay, as claimed by Red Bull motorsport Helmut Marko. But he suggested Red Bull’s offers may have gone beyond that.

“Doubling the salaries is one thing but if you triple them, at a certain stage, you’re not going to compete anymore, even for loyal people.

“But it is what it is. I respect everybody that wants to defend his business or build their business and retaliation time has not yet come.”
Retaliation time..... stealing Max? Max and George together if/when Lewis goes.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:44 pm
dans79 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 3:47 pm
I'm not sure where he got the 900 number, but This is what Wolff had to say about HPP staff going to Red Bull.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/07/red ... -15-wolff/
“It’s pretty obvious that if you want to set up an engine factory in the UK, there’s only one and that’s us,” he told Sky. “We have 900 or so employees there. And if you’re fishing out 15 of these or so, that’s that’s pretty normal.

“But they went mainly after manufacturing staff so it’s not really [for] performance. I guess they want to build up the company. But credit to the project, it’s a Mount Everest to climb and I’d like to have a fight with Red Bull power units.”

“I think they have approached 100 people or and they got 15, maybe,” he added.

Wolff did not deny he offered to double the salaries of his staff in order to encourage them to stay, as claimed by Red Bull motorsport Helmut Marko. But he suggested Red Bull’s offers may have gone beyond that.

“Doubling the salaries is one thing but if you triple them, at a certain stage, you’re not going to compete anymore, even for loyal people.

“But it is what it is. I respect everybody that wants to defend his business or build their business and retaliation time has not yet come.”
Retaliation time..... stealing Max? Max and George together if/when Lewis goes.
I was thinking maybe something more general.
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dans79 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 11:02 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:44 pm
dans79 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 3:47 pm
I'm not sure where he got the 900 number, but This is what Wolff had to say about HPP staff going to Red Bull.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/07/red ... -15-wolff/

Retaliation time..... stealing Max? Max and George together if/when Lewis goes.
I was thinking maybe something more general.
Retaliation in the competitive sense and boost up development. Not in the sense of being nasty etc. “Do the talking on the track” way.

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zibby43 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:15 pm
Interesting that the acquisitions were on the manufacturing side, not the performance side.
They have a plant to build so they need to know what machines to buy I guess.
Whichever interested manufacturer like Porsche or VW more likely will be doing the performance architecture.

Anyways. It wont affect Mercedes much.
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Merc doing an excellent job of cost cap reduction by passing the bill to Red bull. They are in prime position to dominate again whilst the competition is scrambling.

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Sat May 08, 2021 5:49 am
Merc doing an excellent job of cost cap reduction by passing the bill to Red bull. They are in prime position to dominate again whilst the competition is scrambling.
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nzjrs wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 8:15 am
McMika98 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 5:49 am
Merc doing an excellent job of cost cap reduction by passing the bill to Red bull. They are in prime position to dominate again whilst the competition is scrambling.
I've missed you.
I think they might be referring to the need to downsize the workforce at Merc to meet the reducing budget caps.

The implication being Merc has let these people go to RBR to help with that downsizing but also "fought" to keep them meaning RBR had to pay more for them - eating into their budget.

Though are engine departments within the cap yet?
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adrianjordan wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 10:25 am
nzjrs wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 8:15 am
McMika98 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 5:49 am
Merc doing an excellent job of cost cap reduction by passing the bill to Red bull. They are in prime position to dominate again whilst the competition is scrambling.
I've missed you.
I think they might be referring to the need to downsize the workforce at Merc to meet the reducing budget caps.

The implication being Merc has let these people go to RBR to help with that downsizing but also "fought" to keep them meaning RBR had to pay more for them - eating into their budget.

Though are engine departments within the cap yet?
Engine departments are outside the cap, what you pay your engine department for the lease of the engines isn’t.
So, Ferrari, HPP, Renault and RedBull engines have to send a bill to their teams.

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He didn't specifically call out that the change was to help in the race tomorrow, but he hinted at it.


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamil ... e/6505006/
"FP3 was looking really good, I think we've been strong all weekend," Hamilton said.

"I made some changes, and I had a bit of anxiety about the changes that we were potentially going to make for qualifying. We always try to make the car better, but it's a bit of a gamble because you've also got to keep the race in mind also.
Hamilton explained that the set-up he opted for left the Mercedes W12 car understeering into corners and feeling "very lazy".

"[It] wouldn't turn around the corner the way that I wanted," Hamilton said. "So you're waiting and waiting and waiting.


"I was making small adjustments to try, within what we are able to change in order to get the car to turn."
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Congratulations on one hundred pole positions...TDG, Big BOSS.. LewGod.. Octo-God, GOAT, Sir LH, or whatever it is people want to call him. A truly monumental achievement. I had a strong feeling from Lewis early exploits in qualifying that he would break the record at some time in his career, but to reach 100, I still somehow cannot fully process it. Maybe when he retires might we trully appreciate how legendary his story is.
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