2021 Alpha Tauri F1 Team

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@etush said it very well. AT is competing to win with very aggressive strategies. AT needs to calm down and fight for their true positions

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HPD wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:11 pm
@etush said it very well. AT is competing to win with very aggressive strategies. AT needs to calm down and fight for their true positions
No way!

What I love about AT is that the expectations are low, so they can go for glory every weekend, and it doesn't matter if they fail.

A single race where both AT are in front of a single MERC will help RBR more than anything for the WCC.

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GhostF1 wrote:
Marti_EF3 wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:32 pm
etusch wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:33 pm
1 MERCEDES 60
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 53
3 MCLAREN MERCEDES 41
4 FERRARI 34
5 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 7
6 ALPHATAURI HONDA 6
7 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 2
8 ALPINE RENAULT 1
9 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 0
10 HAAS FERRARI 0
They have a car to compete against Mclaren and Ferrari. But 40 points behind seems too much, and only 2 races. They will be lucky if they finish 5th , but 3rd and 4th are imposible, more with this useless strategies
Ferrari look fast again, but unstable and I think it will be race to race. AT need to stop making stupid strategy calls. It hurt them last year and it's totally ruined them again this year. Gasly on the right strategy, not this nonsense one, probably could of podium'd. They were fast full stop here. I don't understand risking 5th place starting position. It makes no sense. And they've ruined yet again an opportunity at a track they know they are fast. Bahrain and Imola are two of their best and they've ruined both of them.

If they grow up a bit and just race, they potentially could steal 4th this year. But they've really hurt themselves right now. Also constructors standings as of now because of Stroll's penalty:

POS TEAM PTS
1 MERCEDES 60
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 53
3 MCLAREN MERCEDES 41
4 FERRARI 34
5 ALPHATAURI HONDA 8
6 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 5
7 ALPINE RENAULT 3
8 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 0
9 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 0
10 HAAS FERRARI 0
4th would be quiet the achievement, but not based on pace at least... I don’t think that AT is faster than either Ferrari or Mclaren and those teams will finish P3-P4.


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SmallSoldier wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:18 pm
GhostF1 wrote:
Marti_EF3 wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:32 pm


They have a car to compete against Mclaren and Ferrari. But 40 points behind seems too much, and only 2 races. They will be lucky if they finish 5th , but 3rd and 4th are imposible, more with this useless strategies
Ferrari look fast again, but unstable and I think it will be race to race. AT need to stop making stupid strategy calls. It hurt them last year and it's totally ruined them again this year. Gasly on the right strategy, not this nonsense one, probably could of podium'd. They were fast full stop here. I don't understand risking 5th place starting position. It makes no sense. And they've ruined yet again an opportunity at a track they know they are fast. Bahrain and Imola are two of their best and they've ruined both of them.

If they grow up a bit and just race, they potentially could steal 4th this year. But they've really hurt themselves right now. Also constructors standings as of now because of Stroll's penalty:

POS TEAM PTS
1 MERCEDES 60
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 53
3 MCLAREN MERCEDES 41
4 FERRARI 34
5 ALPHATAURI HONDA 8
6 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 5
7 ALPINE RENAULT 3
8 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 0
9 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 0
10 HAAS FERRARI 0
4th would be quiet the achievement, but not based on pace at least... I don’t think that AT is faster than either Ferrari or Mclaren and those teams will finish P3-P4.


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I feel a LOT of this will come down to late season penalties and reliability issues. If a team takes a 4th engine, and eats the penalty at a race where they are already way-down after qualifying by starting from the pit-lane, they may have a BIG advantage in the last 2-3 races of the season.

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Zynerji wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:18 pm
GhostF1 wrote: Ferrari look fast again, but unstable and I think it will be race to race. AT need to stop making stupid strategy calls. It hurt them last year and it's totally ruined them again this year. Gasly on the right strategy, not this nonsense one, probably could of podium'd. They were fast full stop here. I don't understand risking 5th place starting position. It makes no sense. And they've ruined yet again an opportunity at a track they know they are fast. Bahrain and Imola are two of their best and they've ruined both of them.

If they grow up a bit and just race, they potentially could steal 4th this year. But they've really hurt themselves right now. Also constructors standings as of now because of Stroll's penalty:

POS TEAM PTS
1 MERCEDES 60
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 53
3 MCLAREN MERCEDES 41
4 FERRARI 34
5 ALPHATAURI HONDA 8
6 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 5
7 ALPINE RENAULT 3
8 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 0
9 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 0
10 HAAS FERRARI 0
4th would be quiet the achievement, but not based on pace at least... I don’t think that AT is faster than either Ferrari or Mclaren and those teams will finish P3-P4.


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I feel a LOT of this will come down to late season penalties and reliability issues. If a team takes a 4th engine, and eats the penalty at a race where they are already way-down after qualifying by starting from the pit-lane, they may have a BIG advantage in the last 2-3 races of the season.
They first need to be close in the fight for that to matter... As it stands there is already a huge amount of points between Ferrari / Mclaren and Alpha Tauri.

That sort of strategy could of course work, but unless AT starts to take chunks of points away from the other two, but the end of the season it probably won’t matter.

It is only the 2nd race of the season though, so a lot can happen between this point and the time when we are 3-4 races from the end... The AT is a fast car, there is no denying that, but even if they are matched from a car pace perspective to Mclaren and Ferrari (which doesn’t seem to the the case so far, they are slightly behind), the reality also is that their driver pairing is not at the level of the other 2 either... So, even when from a pace perspective they could be there or thereabouts, the Lando-Daniel and Charles-Carlos pairing is an stronger one and should incline the balance in their favor.


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For the most part AT have come away unfortunately with bad execution and strategy. The cars are good, the drivers are good, though Tsunoda definitely needs more experience and be less eager. He's talking too early about beating his teammate, and that mentality is not needed at this point of his career as he is far less experienced than Gasly. They need to work together to bring home the points, which they are capable of, if conditions and circumstances don't get the better of them. Both Gasly and Tsunoda would have faired better in dry conditons, and the wet running is what really threw them off course.

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Daft strategy, trying something unusual so that you just might luck-in and score big is the mentality of a team that doesn't have a genuinely fast car. But they have (at the first two races at least), a fast car. Behave as a upper-midfield team and race on that level and strategy, and accumulate the points. It's almost as though they don't believe in themselves. Come on Alpha Tauri, you really are in pretty good shape now !

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Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 pm
Daft strategy, trying something unusual so that you just might luck-in and score big is the mentality of a team that doesn't have a genuinely fast car. But they have (at the first two races at least), a fast car. Behave as a upper-midfield team and race on that level and strategy, and accumulate the points. It's almost as though they don't believe in themselves. Come on Alpha Tauri, you really are in pretty good shape now !
Their WCC points don't mean anything, unless they come at Mercedes' expense so RBR wins.

They have a better chance of "lucking into a podium" with a fast car, and higher probability gambles.

Just making it work 1-2 times would swing the WCC.

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Zynerji wrote:
bigblue wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 pm
Daft strategy, trying something unusual so that you just might luck-in and score big is the mentality of a team that doesn't have a genuinely fast car. But they have (at the first two races at least), a fast car. Behave as a upper-midfield team and race on that level and strategy, and accumulate the points. It's almost as though they don't believe in themselves. Come on Alpha Tauri, you really are in pretty good shape now !
Their WCC points don't mean anything, unless they come at Mercedes' expense so RBR wins.

They have a better chance of "lucking into a podium" with a fast car, and higher probability gambles.

Just making it work 1-2 times would swing the WCC.
Don’t mean anything???... Just a few million dollars in prize money only?

With as close as the Midfield is, every opportunity to get points count... More importantly when they can take advantage of the likes of Aston Martin and Alpine underperforming at the beginning of the season.


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AT doesn't fund on prize money...🙄

They are a proving ground for the RBR team, and they only exist to improve the chances of RBR winning the WCC (mostly through people developing experience). If they can also take occasional points off the only challenger to that team, that is worth WAY MORE to Red Bull than if AT finishes 4th in the championship.

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Zynerji wrote:AT doesn't fund on prize money...

They are a proving ground for the RBR team, and they only exist to improve the chances of RBR winning the WCC (mostly through people developing experience). If they can also take occasional points off the only challenger to that team, that is worth WAY MORE to Red Bull than if AT finishes 4th in the championship.
I don’t think that AT has ever been in a position to have an effect on the WCC (or assist Red Bull for that matter)... So I don’t agree that the purpose is to improve RBR chances of winning the WCC.

In regards to be proving grounds, yes... Especially for drivers... But regardless of that and even if it funded by Red Bull, I’m sure that those millions would be welcomed and yes, finishing as high as possible should be part of their strategy / plan.


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Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:32 pm
Zynerji wrote:AT doesn't fund on prize money...

They are a proving ground for the RBR team, and they only exist to improve the chances of RBR winning the WCC (mostly through people developing experience). If they can also take occasional points off the only challenger to that team, that is worth WAY MORE to Red Bull than if AT finishes 4th in the championship.
I don’t think that AT has ever been in a position to have an effect on the WCC (or assist Red Bull for that matter)... So I don’t agree that the purpose is to improve RBR chances of winning the WCC.

In regards to be proving grounds, yes... Especially for drivers... But regardless of that and even if it funded by Red Bull, I’m sure that those millions would be welcomed and yes, finishing as high as possible should be part of their strategy / plan.


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Why would they welcome the millions?

Because they could then spend it on scoring more points than Mercedes!

A RBR 1-2 and an AT 3-4 (gamble that works) is worth more than money to RBR.

In a close year at the top, this working only 1 time could change the winner of the WCC, and this year AT have the car/drivers to do it. Even if they finish 10th, it's absolutely worth it.

Someone should ask Christian what a RBR12/AT34 would be worth to him...😏

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SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:32 pm
Zynerji wrote:AT doesn't fund on prize money...

They are a proving ground for the RBR team, and they only exist to improve the chances of RBR winning the WCC (mostly through people developing experience). If they can also take occasional points off the only challenger to that team, that is worth WAY MORE to Red Bull than if AT finishes 4th in the championship.
I don’t think that AT has ever been in a position to have an effect on the WCC (or assist Red Bull for that matter)... So I don’t agree that the purpose is to improve RBR chances of winning the WCC.

In regards to be proving grounds, yes... Especially for drivers... But regardless of that and even if it funded by Red Bull, I’m sure that those millions would be welcomed and yes, finishing as high as possible should be part of their strategy / plan.


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Why would they welcome the millions?

Because they could then spend it on scoring more points than Mercedes!

A RBR 1-2 and an AT 3-4 (gamble that works) is worth more than money to RBR.

In a close year at the top, this working only 1 time could change the winner of the WCC, and this year AT have the car/drivers to do it. Even if they finish 10th, it's absolutely worth it.

Someone should ask Christian what a RBR12/AT34 would be worth to him...
For that to happen, RBR will first need a 1-2 (which I don’t think has happened lately) and then AT 3-4 in front of Mercedes, which won’t happen either... Unless both Mercedes DNF in which case, the AT 3-4 from a WCC perspective doesn’t mean anything.

The possibility of AT having an effect on the WCC is as high with them having a proper strategy (not like in the last race) than with gambling like they did last race... If it’s a matter of lucking out in a race into a podium, there is no need to gamble from a strategy point of view.


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SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:57 pm
Zynerji wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:32 pm

I don’t think that AT has ever been in a position to have an effect on the WCC (or assist Red Bull for that matter)... So I don’t agree that the purpose is to improve RBR chances of winning the WCC.

In regards to be proving grounds, yes... Especially for drivers... But regardless of that and even if it funded by Red Bull, I’m sure that those millions would be welcomed and yes, finishing as high as possible should be part of their strategy / plan.


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Why would they welcome the millions?

Because they could then spend it on scoring more points than Mercedes!

A RBR 1-2 and an AT 3-4 (gamble that works) is worth more than money to RBR.

In a close year at the top, this working only 1 time could change the winner of the WCC, and this year AT have the car/drivers to do it. Even if they finish 10th, it's absolutely worth it.

Someone should ask Christian what a RBR12/AT34 would be worth to him...
For that to happen, RBR will first need a 1-2 (which I don’t think has happened lately) and then AT 3-4 in front of Mercedes, which won’t happen either... Unless both Mercedes DNF in which case, the AT 3-4 from a WCC perspective doesn’t mean anything.

The possibility of AT having an effect on the WCC is as high with them having a proper strategy (not like in the last race) than with gambling like they did last race... If it’s a matter of lucking out in a race into a podium, there is no need to gamble from a strategy point of view.


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If it would have rained again on lap 2-10, Pierre would have won Imola.

That was the gamble, and it didn't pay out.

I'm fine with watching this mid-field team swing for the fences.

It's a refreshing difference from the rest of the field!

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