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Re: 2017 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 14-16 July

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TAG wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:20 pm
dren wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:05 pm
Hamilton will reassert his championship hunt here with a dominating victory.
According to one of the mods here, we're not supposed to be posting stuff like this on the race thread. Bewarned.
no no they dont care about that, they might care about categorizing stuffs saying "Hamilton" belongs to drivers section, "Championship" belongs to general section and "dominating victory" belongs to Race thread. :lol: :lol: :lol: just joking :lol:

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Re: 2017 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 14-16 July

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SectorOne wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:31 pm
They should rename this forum to F1Hamilton.net
Neither the haters or the lovers can stop talking about him. It´s like F1Technical has a variation of Godwin´s law.
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about -Oscar Wilde

Can you imagine these threads without the flavor? It would be like eating boiled chicken breast. :P
Countdown to 91: 7 more victories ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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I'm very disappointed in Checo for falling into Ocon's game, he is in my opinion, a very dirty racer, he looks very desperate to try and make a name for himself when its only his second season in F1. He should have more patience and not risk it putting his car always in an awkward position for Checo to go and make the mistake.
What is happening with both of them is lame, bit the worst I have seen so far is Ocon saying that he actually tried to kill him, that is a very very serious accusation.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Manjhi wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:48 pm
BloodLad91 wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:16 am
Ocon is under contract for three years and comes with Mercedes backing, while Perez is out of contract for next year.
With team rebranding,new sponsors and consecutive fourth place finish means checo's sponsors are not that important.
He might leave to Renault or williams to replace massa.
I think Renault already looks satisfied with Hulk, they are looking for someone consistent, Jolyon is out of F1 in 2018 for sure. Checo might have a chance here but I hardly think Renault will sign, they'll rather go with someone young and with French connection.

Williams will definitely look for Checo's experience, Massa is too old for F1 now.

I think the sponsor money from mexico does have impact on SFI's car development, as after paying Checo around 6 million SFI does get 14 million remaining, plus bonus sponsors for Mexican GP.
Ocon is Mercedes development driver.
He won't be at Renault.
When Nico left to Renault, they wanted ocon too, but he's Mercedes driver so FI snatched him.
He's under contract and only way he's going to leave is, if Renault buy him out of contract for which FI will ask unreasonable amount of money, given that Mercedes allow it.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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As for Perez' bashing of recent;

Did Sergio make some clumsy mistakes? yes, sure does. He admitted himself fully that the first contact was his fault as he didnt see him there. I think the way he apologized for that was very respectable, given that it takes 2 to tango and Ocon desperately wants to beat Perez no matter what and puts himself in dangerous situations.

He (ocon) also keeps screaming like a madman on the radio and playing the victim role not taking any responsibility. He's still a rookie and needs to calm down and keep his car in one piece. He took the chance of being between the wall and the other cars, there was no room, eau rouge is coming up, but he insists staying there. Even if Perez would have seen him, there was virtually no place to go anyway. It was a simple racing incident and contact that can simply happen. But Checo not seeing him there does not equal Ocon goes scot-free.

The second contact imho is still not at all Perez' fault, he shares responsibility but the madman here was Ocon, not Perez.

Ocon is like a shark smelling blood when it comes to Perez. It's rediculous. he doesn't behave in any way to other drivers as he does to his own teammate, and there is the first problem. Perez is his teammate, a experienced and fast driver, and Ocon is still a rookie who thinks he's Alonso and a french god.

Perez COULD have handled the situation perhaps better, but like sergio said, there was NO ROOM. there was simply no room whatsoever to pass there, concidering that a blazingly fast corner was coming up, that he was NOT passed Perez in the sense he could overtake, there were MORE than one car there, AND he should have been more careful after last contact. And again, he's screaming and fuming like a spoiled little brat.

Ocon is very fast and a very potential driver but what he's doing is unacceptable.
That doesn't mean Perez couldn't have handled things a bit better but the end result is why would he just bend over for some rookie teammate that has ZERO respect for him?

I haven't forgotten Baku, and likewise there, it was NOT Perez that was the hothead, it was Ocon as the rookie going for places and making grosjean-like moves that are simply not possible.

Ocon reminds me of the type of road driver that is so blinded by his own haste and arrogance to take over every single car on the highway (or in traffic) and then gets on painted gores instead of merging on the mandatory space before that, and then starts driving into you to push you away so he can be in front of you, and when you don't budge lays the blame on you and acts like you are the one trying to kill him.

Ocon needs to calm the fuzz down and look at the mirror and himself, and start having some respect for other drivers, especially his teammate, instead of only having overglorified self-worship arrogant respect for himself.
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Did you even watch the 2nd incident Perez could have easily done more to stop the accident happening. Force India on sky UK's coverage said live it was Sergio's fault

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Yes i've watched the full race, did you?

or is it just too much fun jumping in on the hype bashing train?

Ocon was frustrated about the pit and that Perez was in front of him, like the diva Ocon wants an entire track all to himself, not thinking about the bigger picture because Ocon only thinks about number one himself.

He then tried to squeeze between the wall and Perez, but there was no room for him to pass there, especially since Perez was in front and Ocon not with his wheels in front of his rear wheels, goes with his wheels over the white line fully seeing the wall closing in on him but deciding not to back off and have another go after eau rouge like any other sane driver would do.

matter of fact, his entire move makes no sense since you cannot overtake there like that.

even IF perez would have left him room (which is the only thing you could argue there), Ocon did not have enough speed to make it to the corner and overtake Perez there and would have had to yield anyway. It is a brainless move from nothing but blind rage.

If he stayed behind Perez through eau rouge, he would have had a slipstream giving him an advantage, AND DRS to overtake Perez and perez would have been a sitting duck especially with fresher tires for Ocon. Instead, by blindly going into a position he could not hold whilst Perez was definding his position > to which he has ALL the right, and not short of how Verstappen does (and is hailed for) that, Ocon insisted staying where he was instead of just for a milisecond lifting throttle which would have avoided contact, and ruining both their races and losing valuable points along the way.

I repeat that Ocon is blind as a bat in all his anger and rage which he can't seem to control because he has some beef with Perez after Canada and Baku. He doesn't calm down but feels like he has something to settle with Perez and loses all the temper and control and pushes himself and his car in situations that can only have a bad outcome.

He tried the corner, he didn't carry enough speed to pass Perez or get alongside enough that Perez couldn't defend anymore, he couldn't pass outside of Perez into eau rouge anyway, and instead of lifting and staying right on Perez' tail (like Vettel on Hamilton for example), then getting on the next straight having a massive advantage from the slipstream AND the DRS AND fresh tires he would have BLAZED past Perez who would have no answer to it, get first into the next corner, and blaze off into the sunset and score many points whilst having beaten his teammate, which is what he's so blinded to do anyway.

It is too stupid for words, yet Perez gets the blame? come on.

Ocon's speed and craft speak for themselves, he is blazingly fast but he is an even bigger hothead than Grosjean was but too arrogant to even concider anything else but his own game and then exegerates like perez tried to kill him? drama 'queen' much?
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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In addition, here another golden move from Ocon who had his head somewhere else but in the car during the race
https://twitter.com/OconEsteban/status/ ... 5635148800
fool is claiming Magnussen was testing him? during the SAFETY CAR PERIOD?
boy is really living on another planet.

inches away from smashing into another car during the SC period. just wow.
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Manoah2u wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:01 am
Yes i've watched the full race, did you?

or is it just too much fun jumping in on the hype bashing train?

Ocon was frustrated about the pit and that Perez was in front of him, like the diva Ocon wants an entire track all to himself, not thinking about the bigger picture because Ocon only thinks about number one himself.

He then tried to squeeze between the wall and Perez, but there was no room for him to pass there, especially since Perez was in front and Ocon not with his wheels in front of his rear wheels, goes with his wheels over the white line fully seeing the wall closing in on him but deciding not to back off and have another go after eau rouge like any other sane driver would do.

matter of fact, his entire move makes no sense since you cannot overtake there like that.

even IF perez would have left him room (which is the only thing you could argue there), Ocon did not have enough speed to make it to the corner and overtake Perez there and would have had to yield anyway. It is a brainless move from nothing but blind rage.

If he stayed behind Perez through eau rouge, he would have had a slipstream giving him an advantage, AND DRS to overtake Perez and perez would have been a sitting duck especially with fresher tires for Ocon. Instead, by blindly going into a position he could not hold whilst Perez was definding his position > to which he has ALL the right, and not short of how Verstappen does (and is hailed for) that, Ocon insisted staying where he was instead of just for a milisecond lifting throttle which would have avoided contact, and ruining both their races and losing valuable points along the way.

I repeat that Ocon is blind as a bat in all his anger and rage which he can't seem to control because he has some beef with Perez after Canada and Baku. He doesn't calm down but feels like he has something to settle with Perez and loses all the temper and control and pushes himself and his car in situations that can only have a bad outcome.

He tried the corner, he didn't carry enough speed to pass Perez or get alongside enough that Perez couldn't defend anymore, he couldn't pass outside of Perez into eau rouge anyway, and instead of lifting and staying right on Perez' tail (like Vettel on Hamilton for example), then getting on the next straight having a massive advantage from the slipstream AND the DRS AND fresh tires he would have BLAZED past Perez who would have no answer to it, get first into the next corner, and blaze off into the sunset and score many points whilst having beaten his teammate, which is what he's so blinded to do anyway.

It is too stupid for words, yet Perez gets the blame? come on.

Ocon's speed and craft speak for themselves, he is blazingly fast but he is an even bigger hothead than Grosjean was but too arrogant to even concider anything else but his own game and then exegerates like perez tried to kill him? drama 'queen' much?
I agree, Perez could have given ocon bit room and ocon should have back off little bit then make pass on kennel straight.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Perez fan boy over here he is not that good if he is being challenged in a regular basis by a lesser driver

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Perez put it best when he said there were no problems with Hulkenberg despite some close battles, new element is Ocon, his overtake through crash technique and radio posturing. Two incidents in Spa were connected, Ocon caused the first one, Perez backed off and crash was avoided, second one was a logical consequence, 'friendly' media attempts at turning Perez into a villain absurd and not reflected in any race penalties.

When the team used undercut and put Hulkenberg in front in Bahrain '14 Perez overtook him and got a podium instead of whining or crashing.

As for Ocon himself first thing in the media and on his mind should be his speed or rather lack thereof, ~10-1 (+ one accident). Admittedly the gap is often small but small constant gap means a lot.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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That safety car video is a bit odd as he blasts past Magnussen and the Williams in front of Magnussen.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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Manoah2u wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:20 pm
In addition, here another golden move from Ocon who had his head somewhere else but in the car during the race

https://twitter.com/OconEsteban/status/ ... 5635148800


fool is claiming Magnussen was testing him? during the SAFETY CAR PERIOD?
boy is really living on another planet.

inches away from smashing into another car during the SC period. just wow.
Well Lewis has also got ahead of the SC car many times, Vettel is known culprit of such mistakes. And don't forget Kevin himself shoot past at the final corner in SC lap. So that doesn't prove anything. Plus it was tweeted on lighter note.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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iotar__ wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:44 pm
Perez put it best when he said there were no problems with Hulkenberg despite some close battles, new element is Ocon, his overtake through crash technique and radio posturing. Two incidents in Spa were connected, Ocon caused the first one, Perez backed off and crash was avoided, second one was a logical consequence, 'friendly' media attempts at turning Perez into a villain absurd and not reflected in any race penalties.

When the team used undercut and put Hulkenberg in front in Bahrain '14 Perez overtook him and got a podium instead of whining or crashing.

As for Ocon himself first thing in the media and on his mind should be his speed or rather lack thereof, ~10-1 (+ one accident). Admittedly the gap is often small but small constant gap means a lot.
kudos for a well concidered, thoughtful and very true reply.
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.

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Re: 2017 Force India F1 Team - Mercedes

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nacho wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:50 pm
That safety car video is a bit odd as he blasts past Magnussen and the Williams in front of Magnussen.
he 100% should have gotten a 'overtaking during the safety car' penalty for that absolute disgraceful and idiotic move, as it also was very dangerous and potentially would have brought an absolute mayhem would he have hit magnussen (imagine the mess and aftermath) or that there could have been marshalls on the track and he could have plowed through them. he paid zero attention. incredibly inappropriate that he had the guts to act like he did. I'm happy he kept his mouth shut during the press interview as he really has zero credibility or authority on commenting on somebody else.
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.