Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by etusch » Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am

Renault said that their qualy mode is worst between 4. If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
I don't know how much tenths redbull will lost with current PU If they run a Honda PU they would be better at qualy which is important for Redbull's current situation.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by godlameroso » Tue May 08, 2018 11:10 pm

What is superoxide? Why is a spark from high voltage tension necessary? In other words what is created in the spark gap?
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by trinidefender » Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am

etusch wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
Renault said that their qualy mode is worst between 4. If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
I don't know how much tenths redbull will lost with current PU If they run a Honda PU they would be better at qualy which is important for Redbull's current situation.
Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort. All he stated was that the Renault PU qualifying mode doesn't provide a huge increase in power compared to the highest race modes. Drastic difference.

I'm all for Honda improving however sprouting random things (read nonsense) like this just spreads misinformation that people use as ammunition for when things don't got right.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Wouter » Wed May 09, 2018 10:43 am

etusch wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
That seems to be right. The Qualification mode from RBR is only 0,1 sec. Honda already has a better Q mode.
If both engines get upgraded, that Q mode from Honda will still be better. Renault is not changing the Q mode.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Wouter » Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am

trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am
etusch wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
Renault said that their qualy mode is worst between 4. If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort.
Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by ivanlesk » Wed May 09, 2018 3:30 pm

Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am
trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am
etusch wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
Renault said that their qualy mode is worst between 4. If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort.
Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:
Link?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by NL_Fer » Wed May 09, 2018 4:19 pm

Every car must have a single-lap mode at least. Most simpel form would be minimal energy harvesting, starting with a full battery and crossing the finish with a depleted one. And no fuel saving.

They also use it for the start and 1st lap.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by trinidefender » Wed May 09, 2018 4:46 pm

Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am
trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am
etusch wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 am
Renault said that their qualy mode is worst between 4. If Honda match with renault after second PU Honda will have Qually mode advantage over renault. In fact they already have it according to Abiteboul.
Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort.
Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:
If you are talking about this
http://www.f1i.com/news/281697-renault- ... -2018.html

Then you may be a little confused. He didn't say that they didn't have a mode used for qualifying. He simply stated that this mode wasn't "magic" like what other teams have.

Every PU has a multitude of different ECU modes that can be selected to save fuel, maximise power over the whole race with minimum fuel saving (assuming race strategy goes to plan), an overtaking mode, qualifying and everything in between.

Every team has always had a qualifying mode. Just Mercedes and Ferrari's own is miles better than Honda and Renaults own.

Also that was for 2017....not 2018.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Wed May 09, 2018 7:02 pm

Yes. Agreed. And don't forget that ALL teams were running their engines conservatively to get a feel of the reliability. We don't really know the true gaps between the engines yet. We might know in Canada.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Wouter » Wed May 09, 2018 7:08 pm

trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:46 pm
Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am
trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am


Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort.
Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:
If you are talking about this
http://www.f1i.com/news/281697-renault- ... -2018.html

Then you may be a little confused. He didn't say that they didn't have a mode used for qualifying. He simply stated that this mode wasn't "magic" like what other teams have.

Every PU has a multitude of different ECU modes that can be selected to save fuel, maximise power over the whole race with minimum fuel saving (assuming race strategy goes to plan), an overtaking mode, qualifying and everything in between.

Every team has always had a qualifying mode. Just Mercedes and Ferrari's own is miles better than Honda and Renaults own.

Also that was for 2017....not 2018.
@ trinidefender, I am not confused. Horner asked Renault very often last year if they could also get a qualifying mode. Renault did not want that, because the engine was not reliable. At the end of the season, Taffin promised Horner to deliver a Q mode for the 2018 season and a more reliable engine. RBR is racing this season for the first time with a Q mode. According to Horner is this mode not "magic" like what other teams have, it only delivers 0.1 sec.

I also heard Abiteboul in front of the camera on TV during the second or third race weekend this year saying that the Q mode of Honda delivers more power than their own Q mode, but that they are working hard to get more power during the Q.

Edit. 23-03-2018
It is perhaps the question that all Max Verstappen fans have wondered about last winter. Does Red Bull finally have a qualifying mode available this year? If we can believe Max, not. The Dutchman spoke to Olav Mol this morning after the second free practice and he informed that Renault has not found anything yet.


https://twitter.com/ZiggoSportF1/status ... odus-.html
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Wouter » Wed May 09, 2018 7:12 pm

ivanlesk wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 3:30 pm
Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am
trinidefender wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am


Sorry but what? Maybe I'm going crazy but when did Abiteboul say that? I recall nothing of the sort.
Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:
Link?
@Ivanlesk, I heard Abiteboul in front of the camera on TV during the second or third race weekend this year saying
that the Q mode of Honda delivers more power than their own Q mode, but that they are working hard to get more power during the Q.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by djones » Thu May 10, 2018 4:21 pm

Presumably what he means though is the increase between modes is more on the Honda, not that the Honda produces more power?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by ivanlesk » Fri May 11, 2018 4:20 am

Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:12 pm
ivanlesk wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 3:30 pm
Wouter wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:52 am


Abiteboul said that on TV in a interview. Honda had last year already a Q mode, Renault didn't.
I may hope you are not going crazy right now. :wink:
Link?
@Ivanlesk, I heard Abiteboul in front of the camera on TV during the second or third race weekend this year saying
that the Q mode of Honda delivers more power than their own Q mode, but that they are working hard to get more power during the Q.
Still, would like to hear it myself...

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by McMika98 » Fri May 11, 2018 5:44 am

ivanlesk wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 4:20 am
Still, would like to hear it myself...
Hopefully one of the so called journos will do their job and ask that question today in the press conference. Someone did ask the question to Hartley who avoided it. I do think they all will avoid the answer.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by McMika98 » Sat May 12, 2018 6:36 am

So we now know that Ferrari in quali has more power than Mercedes by inhaling more oil but in race us behind. Honda as usual will not state their position but isnt too far behind.