Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by IvailoStefanovBG » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:29 pm

etusch wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:55 pm
IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:23 am
Comparing the style of Tanabe`s words with previous statements my opinion is that power gain is significant. =D> :evil:
It is strange that this time there isn't numbers turning around
I think that Honda already have some secrets that others should not know. From this time on we will hear less and less numbers from them. If Redbull and Honda updates work fine they will challenge Mercs.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Snorked » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:52 pm

etusch wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:55 pm
IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:23 am
Comparing the style of Tanabe`s words with previous statements my opinion is that power gain is significant. =D> :evil:
It is strange that this time there isn't numbers turning around
I've read on the verstappen forum the update is worth 30 kW - though not all of the power will available to use straight away.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Benii6 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:11 pm

Snorked wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:52 pm
etusch wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:55 pm
IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:23 am
Comparing the style of Tanabe`s words with previous statements my opinion is that power gain is significant. =D> :evil:
It is strange that this time there isn't numbers turning around
I've read on the verstappen forum the update is worth 30 kW - though not all of the power will available to use straight away.
I heard its 50.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by seense » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:22 pm

Snorked wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:52 pm
I've read on the verstappen forum the update is worth 30 kW
Who is the source; Schummie01?

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Bill » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:30 pm

Everyone has brought their power upgrades except Honda if they bring something like 25hp they can a least match Mercedes or be very very close . The aim as a package should be to clear Ferrari and split those Mercedes Bottas has looked venerable in the last two races

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by etusch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:41 pm

Benii6 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:11 pm
Snorked wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:52 pm
etusch wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:55 pm


It is strange that this time there isn't numbers turning around
I've read on the verstappen forum the update is worth 30 kW - though not all of the power will available to use straight away.
I heard its 50.
Yes now there are numbers :mrgreen:
Peak power or race power? Which is most important for Redbull now?
30 kw is too much but if 25-30 extra hp and at least half of it for race long it is good. And think that this is first fruit of ihi partnership and they will make tweaks on it for more gain.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by PhillipM » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:44 pm

I think those numbers are plucked from some Bull droppings tbfh - Honda say even with the update they will still be noticably behind Merc on power, and I don't think they're currently 50kw+ extra down.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Benii6 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:01 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:44 pm
I think those numbers are plucked from some Bull droppings tbfh - Honda say even with the update they will still be noticably behind Merc on power, and I don't think they're currently 50kw+ extra down.
I wasn't being serius. Just making fun of how ridiculous that number was.
This thing with Honda and magical upgrades every few months with X number of hp date back to 2017. And they are progressing but the numbers always get overblown.

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by godlameroso » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:19 pm

More interesting is what collaboration they could have with the aero department? Maybe regarding the turbine housing? Is it possible they've made the turbo more compact? Maybe found a way to get more energy to the turbine without compromising ICE power? Probably why there is a new combustion engine, turbo, and MGU-H.

If all it means is that the car can harvest X% more electrical energy per lap, that is still a substantial gain. Hell, I'd call it an engineering achievment if Honda can now send more or any energy from the H to the K, to reduce drain on the ES. It would lead to more ES deployment per lap.
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by loner » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:52 pm

mode 7 incoming... :-$
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by PlatinumZealot » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:18 pm

loner wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:52 pm
mode 7 incoming... :-$
Mode 7 graphics? This is not nintendo gameboy.
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by loner » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:19 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:18 pm
loner wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:52 pm
mode 7 incoming... :-$
Mode 7 graphics? This is not nintendo gameboy.
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Singabule » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:03 am

godlameroso wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:19 pm
More interesting is what collaboration they could have with the aero department? Maybe regarding the turbine housing? Is it possible they've made the turbo more compact? Maybe found a way to get more energy to the turbine without compromising ICE power? Probably why there is a new combustion engine, turbo, and MGU-H.

If all it means is that the car can harvest X% more electrical energy per lap, that is still a substantial gain. Hell, I'd call it an engineering achievment if Honda can now send more or any energy from the H to the K, to reduce drain on the ES. It would lead to more ES deployment per lap.
Should from their jet division, they have supercomputer to crack the internal airflow and plumbing. All possibilities regarding housing, turbine and compressor blade, until the manifold. I dont think its about downsizing, but toward to reduce the parasitic loss and air flow management. Wouldn't big improvement compared to what Mahle done for other manufacturers. Btw, i cant imagine how much money and effort they spend of this PU, much more effort compared to develop their MotoGP bike..

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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by GhostF1 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:25 am

Having this engine in cars, on track likely helps with development for Spec 4 "expected" around Monza (+ or - a race weekend). So power bump probably marginal, but the ground work is there to be studied.

Both Honda and RBR have made comments about the engine due second half of the season is where the most ground will be made and will bring them into contention. So having this PU on track would no doubt help with data, and again, Red Bull have asked Honda to bring whatever engine they have if it brings power and accelerates development in 2019. We are seeing that clearly. We are on Spec 3 already, and these all came with power/reliability bumps, it wasn't until Sept/Nov last year we got a 3rd iteration. This year's dev rate looks pretty astonishing.
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Re: Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by _cerber1 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:27 am

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