Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:00 pm

sosic2121 wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:46 am
hurril wrote:
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This is mildly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCZAzZ ... gs=pl%2Cwn
At 7k rpm pressure goes to 10 bars.
Is this usual for race car/f1 engines?
Thats not charge air pressure! Thats something else!
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by sosic2121 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:25 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:00 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:46 am
hurril wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 am
This is mildly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCZAzZ ... gs=pl%2Cwn
At 7k rpm pressure goes to 10 bars.
Is this usual for race car/f1 engines?
Thats not charge air pressure! Thats something else!
Someone already mentioned that it's probably oil pressure, so I was commenting on that.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Xwang » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:52 pm

Are the newer engine components (MGU-H, turbo, etc) installed in Canada a second specification or the same specification as the ones used up to now?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by PhillipM » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:07 pm

sosic2121 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:25 pm
Someone already mentioned that it's probably oil pressure, so I was commenting on that.
Nothing too unusual, some road cars at/near that.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by sosic2121 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:13 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:07 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:25 pm
Someone already mentioned that it's probably oil pressure, so I was commenting on that.
Nothing too unusual, some road cars at/near that.
I wasn't aware.
Thank you for enlightening me.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Gibbs » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:41 pm

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/sta ... 9302759425

Unless I'm mistaken throttle bodies or valves before the turbo inlet are banned which means the failure must be waste-gate related?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by MtthsMlw » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:46 pm

To me that sounds like a broken hose or something on the airs way to the turbo compressor side.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Mudflap » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:49 pm

I know they said airflow to the turbo but based on the radio exchange it does sound a lot like a boost leak somewhere.
How much TQ does it make though?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by MtthsMlw » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:50 pm

Mudflap wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:49 pm
I know they said airflow to the turbo but based on the radio exchange it does sound a lot like a boost leak somewhere.
Yep, makes more sense. Binotto clarified that it was related to the intercooler.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Mudflap » Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:28 pm

MtthsMlw wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:50 pm
Mudflap wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:49 pm
I know they said airflow to the turbo but based on the radio exchange it does sound a lot like a boost leak somewhere.
Yep, makes more sense. Binotto clarified that it was related to the intercooler.
At least that's a fairly straightforward fix. The original "bust turbo" diagnosis sounded quite terminal.
How much TQ does it make though?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by saviour stivala » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:29 pm

A leaking boost air pressure pipe was the cause.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by MtthsMlw » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:25 am

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by aleks_ader » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:42 pm

I have couple of questions about 2019 Ferrari PU:

1. What is underneath gold foil? And why they dint made intake into plenum from front side? Obviously they dint want to waste volume from tank. But in my opinion installation is more crammed in the middle. Sure they have space above MGUH and in that skiny airbox. Two arc shaped pipes from intercooler should outweigh slight position of tank?

2. For intercooler did they have separate water pump or no? For temperature regulation you use valves, because with speed (also circuit and weather dependant) you have different cooling efficiency in sidepod radiator. Hence you need somehow regulate that intake temperature. Or i m wrong.

EDIT: Or they just regulate water flow rate with orbital water pump. Thats how they cool the engine or i m wrong. I know teams uses that type pumps for decades so i m asking to verify my thoughts.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by scarbs » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:38 pm

1)Inlet manifold
2) separate pump/cooler/radiator

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Post by Blackout » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:08 am

That means the Ferrari V is incredibly crouded, even more busy than the 2014-2018 PU, because it seems to contain:
-part of the ram air-to-compressor duct, (green in my magnificent drawing) which seems to pass between the intake manifold and the Xenomorph-head-shaped compressor-to-intercooler duct
-part of the intercooler-to-intakemanifold duct (yellow / intercooler is blue)
-part of the inake manifold (purple)
-the MGUH
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