FIA wants to ban qualifying modes in 2021

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Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:55 pm
Looks to be another weekend post rule change where the Honda is suffering the most. Redbull must be kicking themselves hard for pushing this one. Equally the FIA will be sat wondering why they thought it would slow Mercedes down when pretty much the rest of the world knew it would either change nothing or make them faster.
To be fair to FIA (while they are absolute idiots), they doesn't likely have conceived the single engine mode directive to target Mercedes. They most probably knew everyone was exploiting the rules, but they didn't exactly know how and to what extent. They would have listened to someone who said, restricting the ICE mode would enable them to stop that exploitation. I don't think they either knew who would get affected to what extent. They thought it's a good idea from stopping manufacturers from exploiting the excess fuel/oil burning.

For the past couple of years, Mercedes has been working on reliability to run their aggressive modes for longer, which has helped them in the current scenario. This just proves that thier power to reliability ratio is higher, compared to other manufacturers. Renault probably is standing second now with Honda being third. Honda doesn't seem to have the same reliability as the other manufacturers. Ever since this new TD has kicked in, Renault seems to have closed the gap to Red Bull and Red Bull particularly is having more issues on their PU side. Strangely, Alpha Tauri is on the heels of RB too. With the new TD ensuring every customer runs the same exact modes and with same exact software, it makes me think if AT was even getting the same PU up until now! I may be wrong. May be RB is struggling with their car's balance, along with some PU issues specific to them which has made them struggle more than AT.

This proves that Horner is a dumb guy, who was also part of the lobby pushing FIA to get this TD out. Not sure how much they understood how the Honda PU was operating in quali and race modes Vs Mercedes. It was possible that, while Mercedes was using their most powerful mode in quali, they weren't using their possible high power mode in races, that lead Horner to believe that, the Honda is a match in Races and if they can cripple Mercedes' quali advantage, they can gain something out of it. It seems like Mercedes had more power in race modes that they weren't using and now, they are showing that. They did say that as much.
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Horner dumb guy, Mercedes finally using it’s power. And the cherry on top. AlphaTauri Now as strong as RBR as they have the same engine finally.

They weren’t as strong, only on tracks where RBR has trouble, which they do this year. but in Mugello they (AT) were nowhere whilst Max was challenging for the win. And oh yeah, the engines across teams only have to be run in the same mode from unit 3 onwards. Before that only within the team. So starting this race as now al, Honda drivers are on unit 3.
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:37 am
They weren’t as strong, only on tracks where RBR has trouble, which they do this year. but in Mugello they (AT) were nowhere whilst Max was challenging for the win.
Sorry, what is this about? Did I miss another different Mugello race where Max was challenging for a win and Gasly was also racing, but disappeared?
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Moore77 wrote:
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:37 am
They weren’t as strong, only on tracks where RBR has trouble, which they do this year. but in Mugello they (AT) were nowhere whilst Max was challenging for the win.
Sorry, what is this about? Did I miss another different Mugello race where Max was challenging for a win and Gasly was also racing, but disappeared?
Yes. He clearly had the pace and was already on the edge of being on P2 when the issue happened. Both redbulls qualified on 3 and 4, which is unlikely here in Sochi. The ATS were way down the grid. Albon took 3rd, his first podium. Yes at Mugello the RBR was a good car.
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:37 am
They weren’t as strong, only on tracks where RBR has trouble, which they do this year. but in Mugello they (AT) were nowhere whilst Max was challenging for the win.
Sorry, what is this about? Did I miss another different Mugello race where Max was challenging for a win and Gasly was also racing, but disappeared?
Yes. He clearly had the pace and was already on the edge of being on P2 when the issue happened. Both redbulls qualified on 3 and 4, which is unlikely here in Sochi. The ATS were way down the grid. Albon took 3rd, his first podium. Yes at Mugello the RBR was a good car.
Sorry, let's not go through hypothetical results of Mugello. We can only debate on what is apparent so far in terms of pace and problems, after the technical directive.
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Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 am
Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:41 am
Sorry, what is this about? Did I miss another different Mugello race where Max was challenging for a win and Gasly was also racing, but disappeared?
Yes. He clearly had the pace and was already on the edge of being on P2 when the issue happened. Both redbulls qualified on 3 and 4, which is unlikely here in Sochi. The ATS were way down the grid. Albon took 3rd, his first podium. Yes at Mugello the RBR was a good car.
Sorry, let's not go through hypothetical results of Mugello. We can only debate on what is apparent so far in terms of pace and problems, after the technical directive.
And what is apparent is that the Red Bull looked much more competitive with Mercedes at Mugello than here, both on qualifying and race pace.

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El Scorchio wrote:
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Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am
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Yes. He clearly had the pace and was already on the edge of being on P2 when the issue happened. Both redbulls qualified on 3 and 4, which is unlikely here in Sochi. The ATS were way down the grid. Albon took 3rd, his first podium. Yes at Mugello the RBR was a good car.
Sorry, let's not go through hypothetical results of Mugello. We can only debate on what is apparent so far in terms of pace and problems, after the technical directive.
And what is apparent is that the Red Bull looked much more competitive with Mercedes at Mugello than here, both on qualifying and race pace.
Did Max even race in Mugello? The argument started with Seiper saying, Max was in contention for a win in Mugello! We will analyze about Russian GP once it is done. We can only analyze Practice stats if anything.
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Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:12 am
El Scorchio wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:40 am
Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am
Sorry, let's not go through hypothetical results of Mugello. We can only debate on what is apparent so far in terms of pace and problems, after the technical directive.
And what is apparent is that the Red Bull looked much more competitive with Mercedes at Mugello than here, both on qualifying and race pace.
Did Max even race in Mugello? The argument started with Seiper saying, Max was in contention for a win in Mugello! We will analyze about Russian GP once it is done. We can only analyze Practice stats if anything.
I see no harm whatsoever in saying that the pace shown in Mugello practice and qualifying by RBR would suggest Max would have been up there. I think the win is probably wishful thinking but it doesn’t look like he will have been a million miles behind Bottas. Could be a different story here though come 1359 CET!

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El Scorchio wrote:
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Moore77 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:12 am
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:40 am


And what is apparent is that the Red Bull looked much more competitive with Mercedes at Mugello than here, both on qualifying and race pace.
Did Max even race in Mugello? The argument started with Seiper saying, Max was in contention for a win in Mugello! We will analyze about Russian GP once it is done. We can only analyze Practice stats if anything.
I see no harm whatsoever in saying that the pace shown in Mugello practice and qualifying by RBR would suggest Max would have been up there. I think the win is probably wishful thinking but it doesn’t look like he will have been a million miles behind Bottas. Could be a different story here though come 1359 CET!
Plus, Max himself said the same and he is never overenthusiastic. This race is going to be tough.
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