What about limiting PU power instead of fuel flow?

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Actually is was thinking about that. They will probably also set a maximum amount of laps for each stint, so the only benefit is less fuel to take. On top, they could neutralize that benefit by giving efficient cars an extra balast.

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NL_Fer wrote:
03 Jan 2021, 16:02
Actually is was thinking about that. They will probably also set a maximum amount of laps for each stint, so the only benefit is less fuel to take. On top, they could neutralize that benefit by giving efficient cars an extra balast.
If building a better car doesn’t give you the win, or worse, you only won because the better car had more restrictions, why compete? The whole point of sport is to find out who is better at something. They don’t let usain bolt run 120 m while the rest only have to do 90...

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Jolle wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 03:10
NL_Fer wrote:
03 Jan 2021, 16:02
Actually is was thinking about that. They will probably also set a maximum amount of laps for each stint, so the only benefit is less fuel to take. On top, they could neutralize that benefit by giving efficient cars an extra balast.
If building a better car doesn’t give you the win, or worse, you only won because the better car had more restrictions, why compete? The whole point of sport is to find out who is better at something. They don’t let usain bolt run 120 m while the rest only have to do 90...
Isn't that the point of things like BOP? To nullify hard work to keep the racing interesting?

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hUirEYExbN wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 12:37
Jolle wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 03:10
NL_Fer wrote:
03 Jan 2021, 16:02
Actually is was thinking about that. They will probably also set a maximum amount of laps for each stint, so the only benefit is less fuel to take. On top, they could neutralize that benefit by giving efficient cars an extra balast.
If building a better car doesn’t give you the win, or worse, you only won because the better car had more restrictions, why compete? The whole point of sport is to find out who is better at something. They don’t let usain bolt run 120 m while the rest only have to do 90...
Isn't that the point of things like BOP? To nullify hard work to keep the racing interesting?
It makes it entertainment instead of a sport. BOP can be usefull to race with different production cars (for instance a 2l fwd vs 2.6l rwd) but the whole point of having a formula is that there is no BOP. You win by constructing the best car within the formula.

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Thoughts?

https://singularityhub.com/2021/01/03/s ... -jet-fuel/

Isn't jet fuel just super-grade diesel?

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Jolle wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 03:10
NL_Fer wrote:
03 Jan 2021, 16:02
Actually is was thinking about that. They will probably also set a maximum amount of laps for each stint, so the only benefit is less fuel to take. On top, they could neutralize that benefit by giving efficient cars an extra balast.
If building a better car doesn’t give you the win, or worse, you only won because the better car had more restrictions, why compete? The whole point of sport is to find out who is better at something. They don’t let usain bolt run 120 m while the rest only have to do 90...
In case of endurance racing it is about the car not breaking down and the driver not --- up. Bop is acceptable there.

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Zynerji wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 18:56
Thoughts?

https://singularityhub.com/2021/01/03/s ... -jet-fuel/

Isn't jet fuel just super-grade diesel?
One still needs hydrogen and allot of energy.

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dave kumar wrote:
15 Oct 2020, 23:02
What would happen if the formula specified a limit for the power that a PU could deliver rather than a fuel flow limit for engine?
I think the criticism in the first couple comments ring hollow.

I think it would be very beneficial. Instead of increasingly silly attempts by prescribing more-and-more engine parameters, and clunky limit flow to cap power, they could just limit power and free up much of everything else on the engine, cost control permitting. Differentiators would move to other aspects. Such as efficiency, weight, reliability.

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Handicaps like the racehorses might be a better way, have all your tech, overdominate and you'll have to have extra weight.

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Nah, that takes away from it being a sport and more into being just a show, there's a reason I don't watch series with BoP measures - you're punishing the guys doing well because you didn't write your regulations well enough to get the tight racing you wanted.

That's like tell Usain Bolt he's gotta have some toes cut off and a weight belt because it's not fair he's faster than other people