What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

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What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by daniellammers » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:40 pm

Considering they'll win Le Mans, will they continue to race in LMP1? Will they make the switch to either F1 or FE? Will they terminate the whole team?
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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by DiogoBrand » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:01 pm

With their luck I wouldnt say it's certain they'll win Le Mans. But if they do, unless they manage to get some competition I'd say it's pointless for them to continue.
Hopefully they could get into F1 for 2021, since developing an engine before that would likely mean a fail bigger than Honda.
I wish they don't become another team that goes into FE just for PR like Audi and Porsche, apart from PR, FE has no reason to exist.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by Maritimer » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:34 pm

I'd actually be blown away if they won. Rallying is the only thing they've ever done well at when it comes to world championships.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by johnny comelately » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:44 am

breath :wink:

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by Fulcrum » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:32 am

F1 in 2021, powering Williams, before buying them out in 2024.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by DiogoBrand » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:56 am

Fulcrum wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:32 am
F1 in 2021, powering Williams, before buying them out in 2024.
Yes. They'll finish 6th in 2021, then 5th in 2022, 5th again in 2023, then 3rd in 2024 to finally winning the constructors' championship in 2025. It will be a close call, but Lance Stroll (Who by then will be one of the best, if not the best of the grid) will edge out Max Verstappen (by then 2 time world champion) to win by only 5 points at the last race.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by Fulcrum » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:01 am

DiogoBrand wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:56 am
Fulcrum wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:32 am
F1 in 2021, powering Williams, before buying them out in 2024.
Yes. They'll finish 6th in 2021, then 5th in 2022, 5th again in 2023, then 3rd in 2024 to finally winning the constructors' championship in 2025. It will be a close call, but Lance Stroll (Who by then will be one of the best, if not the best of the grid) will edge out Max Verstappen (by then 2 time world champion) to win by only 5 points at the last race.
By then FE will be faster than F1 and all of the good drivers will have left, so Max getting 2 championships doesn't seem unreasonable.

For all the potential haters - this is sarcasm.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by NathanOlder » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:19 pm

DiogoBrand wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:56 am
Fulcrum wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:32 am
F1 in 2021, powering Williams, before buying them out in 2024.
Yes. They'll finish 6th in 2021, then 5th in 2022, 5th again in 2023, then 3rd in 2024 to finally winning the constructors' championship in 2025. It will be a close call, but Lance Stroll (Who by then will be one of the best, if not the best of the grid) will edge out Max Verstappen (by then 2 time world champion) to win by only 5 points at the last race.
Lando will murder the pair of them. Schumachers records are looking reachable for Norris now :wink:
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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by DiogoBrand » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:31 am

I gotta admit: after China, I feel ashamed of my "prediction" of two WDCs for Verstappen. :lol:

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by roon » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:22 pm

So they've won. Will they be back for 2019? Any WEC regulation changes on the horizon?

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by R_GoWin » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:39 pm

roon wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:22 pm
So they've won. Will they be back for 2019? Any WEC regulation changes on the horizon?
Yes! The new regulations were announced on the eve of LeMans - its going to be a road based hypercar category at the top level for WEC. ACO have made it clear that its aimed at keeping cost low, some level of KERS/ hybridisation/4WD and importantly that aerodynamics cannot take precedence over appearance and styling, with open choice of engines - which should encourage a variance of technology for engines.

You can read up on it here:
https://www.fiawec.com/en/news/2020-202 ... tions/6000

I've seen other reports regarding Toyota, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche being in discussion with ACO for framing the rules.

And Toyota has started making a hyper car with this in mind:
https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/toyota/23009821.html

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motors ... -mans-2020

Aston Martin will have the Valkyrie, McLaren with Senna etc.

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by roon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:13 pm

R_GoWin wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:39 pm
roon wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:22 pm
So they've won. Will they be back for 2019? Any WEC regulation changes on the horizon?
Yes! The new regulations were announced on the eve of LeMans - its going to be a road based hypercar category at the top level for WEC. ACO have made it clear that its aimed at keeping cost low, some level of KERS/ hybridisation/4WD and importantly that aerodynamics cannot take precedence over appearance and styling, with open choice of engines - which should encourage a variance of technology for engines.

You can read up on it here:
https://www.fiawec.com/en/news/2020-202 ... tions/6000

I've seen other reports regarding Toyota, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche being in discussion with ACO for framing the rules.

And Toyota has started making a hyper car with this in mind:
https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/toyota/23009821.html

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motors ... -mans-2020

Aston Martin will have the Valkyrie, McLaren with Senna etc.
Given that that's 2020 (thank you for all the links), I take it Toyota are obliged to walk away with another LeMans win and WEC title in 2019?

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Re: What will Toyota do after this years superseason in WEC?

Post by R_GoWin » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:46 pm

roon wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:13 pm
R_GoWin wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:39 pm
roon wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:22 pm
So they've won. Will they be back for 2019? Any WEC regulation changes on the horizon?
Yes! The new regulations were announced on the eve of LeMans - its going to be a road based hypercar category at the top level for WEC. ACO have made it clear that its aimed at keeping cost low, some level of KERS/ hybridisation/4WD and importantly that aerodynamics cannot take precedence over appearance and styling, with open choice of engines - which should encourage a variance of technology for engines.

You can read up on it here:
https://www.fiawec.com/en/news/2020-202 ... tions/6000

I've seen other reports regarding Toyota, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche being in discussion with ACO for framing the rules.

And Toyota has started making a hyper car with this in mind:
https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/toyota/23009821.html

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motors ... -mans-2020

Aston Martin will have the Valkyrie, McLaren with Senna etc.
Given that that's 2020 (thank you for all the links), I take it Toyota are obliged to walk away with another LeMans win and WEC title in 2019?
Quite possibly! But it’s not good advertisement for the sport. I would expect ACO to tilt the Balance of Performance slightly towards the non hybrids if they are to keep any interest alive in the super season. (Playing with laps per stint, fuel allocation etc)

As it stood, according to ACO’s calculation - theoretically the non hybrids had more fuel energy per lap to burn than Toyota. So potentially they had more performance to compete on lap time with Toyota but needed more stops to refuel. This perhaps worked to some extent during qualifying - as the non hybrid pace was close - but under race trim, they all fell away.