2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Please discuss here all your remarks and pose your questions about all racing series, except Formula One. Both technical and other questions about GP2, Touring cars, IRL, LMS, ...
rscsr
63
User avatar
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:02 pm
Location: Austria

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by rscsr » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:58 am

RZS10 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:16 am
Does anyone have motorsport prime and could give us a tl:dr of this?

https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/ ... f-1046707/

It's probably just a shitty clickbait title and they write "alonso, better pace on avg. and better luck with slow zones overall" ... lol
you don't need it in this day and age. @TheBPillar has all the data easily available.

and yes, it seems he was the fastest on average (he took the fastest 25 laps). And with all the Toyota drivers having about the same number of laps, this seems pretty convincing.

RZS10
114
Joined: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:23 am

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by RZS10 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:40 pm

Looks like he wasn't only the fastest on average but also easily the most consistent driver of the toyota bunch

Noetiepoerker26
1
User avatar
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:21 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by Noetiepoerker26 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:45 pm

But didn't Alonso run mostly at night time? AFAIK, the more preferable lower track temps should have helped him in that case. I wonder about the tires they use (prime/option); do the teams opt to run certain sets at certain points in the race, and could that influence these average lap times too?

Nevertheless, I was still quite impressed by Alonso. Endurance racing is quite different from single seater racing, and as a rookie he did a tremendous job.
Two stroke: a little more than half the power, twice as often.

JonoNic
10
User avatar
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:54 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by JonoNic » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:33 pm


Noetiepoerker26 wrote:But didn't Alonso run mostly at night time? AFAIK, the more preferable lower track temps should have helped him in that case. I wonder about the tires they use (prime/option); do the teams opt to run certain sets at certain points in the race, and could that influence these average lap times too?

Nevertheless, I was still quite impressed by Alonso. Endurance racing is quite different from single seater racing, and as a rookie he did a tremendous job.
He was the best at switching on the tyres at night of the Toyota drivers. During the day the was overdriving the tyres
Always find the gap then use it.

Just_a_fan
420
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:37 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by Just_a_fan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:08 pm

Noetiepoerker26 wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:45 pm
But didn't Alonso run mostly at night time? AFAIK, the more preferable lower track temps should have helped him in that case. I wonder about the tires they use (prime/option); do the teams opt to run certain sets at certain points in the race, and could that influence these average lap times too?
Is the penalty of running at night - difficult to see the circuit, tired drivers around you etc., more or less than the benefit from lower temps? I have no idea but I would think that driving in the dark must have an adverse impact on lap times.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools."

roon
359
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:04 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by roon » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:38 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:08 pm
Noetiepoerker26 wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:45 pm
But didn't Alonso run mostly at night time? AFAIK, the more preferable lower track temps should have helped him in that case. I wonder about the tires they use (prime/option); do the teams opt to run certain sets at certain points in the race, and could that influence these average lap times too?
Is the penalty of running at night - difficult to see the circuit, tired drivers around you etc., more or less than the benefit from lower temps? I have no idea but I would think that driving in the dark must have an adverse impact on lap times.
One would think. However: Cooler, denser air at night. Perhaps an aero benefit along with tire temps. In terms of visual processing, maybe there's a benefit to only being able to see what's in the headlights. No peripheral stimulation/distraction.

strad
255
User avatar
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:57 am

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by strad » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:44 pm

As a couple of drivers pointed out, at night it is easier to develop what they called tunnel vision. IE less distractions.
Easier to get into the "zone".
Motorsport without danger is like cooking without salt
Sir Stirling Moss

hollus
Moderator
User avatar
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:21 am
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by hollus » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:16 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/lachnar/stat ... 8478757890

Lap times for the best x laps per driver in the comments, in several graphs

Image
...not because they are easy, but because they are hard!

RZS10
114
Joined: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:23 am

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by RZS10 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:21 pm

Where did the "he had issues during the day" or "he was overheating the tyres" story come from? Is it because he had that issue at Spa?

Image

Judging by that 'heatmap' he was still quick and consistent if i'm reading it correctly (the thicker the faster, the less up/down the more consistent)

source: https://twitter.com/thebpillar/status/1 ... 2935922688

And if you look at what Hollus posted above from twitter user lachnar and maybe even click through some of the graphs it shows he was in a class of his own.

strad
255
User avatar
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:57 am

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by strad » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:42 am

I don't know about the graphs but from the onboards he looked to be very very smooth.
Always good for tire wear.
Motorsport without danger is like cooking without salt
Sir Stirling Moss

Andres125sx
294
User avatar
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by Andres125sx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:00 am

hollus wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:16 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/lachnar/stat ... 8478757890

Lap times for the best x laps per driver in the comments, in several graphs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_QRIsXcAAC1PK?format=jpg
This is what I call a self-explanatory chart :wtf:

Andres125sx
294
User avatar
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by Andres125sx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:03 am

RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:21 pm
Where did the "he had issues during the day" or "he was overheating the tyres" story come from?
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:05 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:09 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:57 pm
I'd like to see laptimes from the night stints from last year and 2016, Alonso was just as quick (or even quicker) during the night than the others during the day and i'd like to know how it looked in previous races - because right now it looks like he brought them back into the race by clawing back 1:40min in 2.5h of running
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df293hDWAAA1T-M.jpg
Wow, an average of 4,6 seconds/lap faster on a 20 laps stint :o =D> =D>


He said at the tv he´s more aggressive on the tires compared to his teammates, so he has more overheating problems at day, but at night he can make the tires work better so he was able to attack and reduce the gap. Even so, 4.6 seconds faster for 20 laps is impressive

Anycase, having more overheating problems does not mean he was not fast at day

FrukostScones
177
User avatar
Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 4:41 pm
Location: European Union

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by FrukostScones » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:22 am

LOL, found this on autosport forums

Image
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important. ...

roon
359
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:04 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by roon » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:41 am

Was big on downforce. Tough to pass, but a hell of a slipstream. Drivers disappointed with the engine performance, though. Kept shouting, "QE2 engine! QE2 engine!"

jjn9128
172
User avatar
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 10:53 pm

Re: 2018 Le Mans 24 hours

Post by jjn9128 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:35 am

FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:22 am
LOL, found this on autosport forums
That's one of the best things I've seen for a while =D>
#aerogandalf