Vehicle Development Project - Interests

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Post by high-on-octane » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:00 am

A little off topic, but the whole wooden tub idea has been around for yonks!

I did some work on a Costin Nathan Spyder a couple of years back when I was working for its owner.

1/8 and 1/4 plywood tub with 4130 bolt on chassis front and rear to mount the suspension/engine/box.

Nice little design, and super light. The thing did 140mph down mullsanne with a modified 1.0L Hillma Imp engine!

In the hands of Roger Nathan, it set lap records at 6 of 7 starts, and won the European Hillclimb championship.

Pics :)
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Post by sennaforever » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:02 pm

i'm a new user in this forum.I'd like to see BMW Sauber's F1.09 Aero-mech development during this season(2009,if someone doesn't know that :mrgreen: ).I've tried to search that,but i don't find anything... :(

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Post by Tonn » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:37 pm

So how far is this project???

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Post by Aetherfx » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:43 pm

hey there,

I am very interested in getting involved with this project if it is still running or anyone that is looking to do a similar project open or closed wheel.

I would be able to do aerodynamic analysis and design.

Drop me an email if your interested; 07030281@brookes.ac.uk

Regards
Jason Hamilton

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Post by Jan_83 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:07 pm

Me too. I could mainly do lightweight chassis and structural development, composite devolopments and design. Furthermore I'm open to everything that is needed.
Just send me a PM.

Jan

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Post by hotponyshoes » Tue May 11, 2010 10:11 pm

Right, to update on this,
We so far have a group of 7 and a workshop with a lot of kit.
The budget is modest. May stretch to one test/development car. NO WAGES!!

We are going to build a GT style, 2 seats, mid engine, road legal (just)
Basic plan is to get this thing throughly designed on an open-source basis.
The plans will be freely available for all to view/use/comment on.
In exchange for this we are looking to build a team of people with all the skills neccesery to rival the mainstream guys.

Aside from the obvious skills we will need somebody who can work with website design through to people who have put home-built cars onto the road and are aware of the legal requirments of the country they are based in.

Our ultimate goal is to have a set of plans that enable an individual to construct a car. As we have a phisical base (South UK) we will build and test the mk1 here. If things get far enough we will offer a 'factory kit' that will act as a central location for parts supply etc.

There is a forum mentioned on a previous post of mine, A couple have signed up and ideas have started to come in.
Out of the existing group 5 of us have worked on projects previously (mostly kit car (road) and a few racers. The other 2 have been talking to us on the internet and just happened to be close but at this stage we are thinking that anybody who even has anintrest or an idea will be more than welcome so introduce yourself on the ossc forum or send me a pm!

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Post by CescFabulous » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:59 am

sounds like a brill project!
i'm really interested but may not be able to help as i'm only a yr 1 student in ME :(
hope u guys luck anyway...

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Post by Kozy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:14 pm

Hello F1-Techincal!

Been lurking here for a few weeks reading all the great subjects you guys discuss, but this thread has caught my attention.

I am looking to design a car myself, predominately an FSAE type car that I can use in my local motor clubs autotest championship, but also something that could be used for hillclimbing.

I started to design a car back at university (Oxford Brookes - Motorsport Engineering HND 2006) in Solidworks:

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More images here.

http://www.designerspace.com/pages/3-de ... olios.html

However this project stagnated for a few reasons. Since finishing university, I have started working for a design consultancy and have not used Solidworks for the past few years, (I do however now have nearly 5000 hours seat time using Pro/Engineer) and also the complexity and cost of a project like this was simply too great. They Hartley engine used in the model costs some $15,000!

After attending a talk recently by Tony Southgate on his career in motorsport since the 60s, I have decided I should get back into a project like this so will be looking to design a simple cheap single seater, something which realistically I could actually build at some point!

As an aside to this, I would very much like to get involved with your project, if there is anything you think I can do please let me know. I would like to specialise in chassis/suspension stuff if at all possible.

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Post by Carlos » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:04 pm

Welcome to the F1T forum Kozy,CescFabulous, Hotponyshoes and good to see you here Jan_83. Well Kozy, your sport-scar design since 2006 is a hotbed of activity compared to the F1Technical Vehicle Development Project, so far we've gotten ... well lets say there's a lot to be done yet. The thread is a great place to meet volunteers for the project. The problem is partly sociological, over the last 25 years the ethos of all activity is teamwork, lots of modest folk offering to join.

What this project need is someone with a little less modesty to step forward, and since no-one is on point, step-up and lead this project. Frankly, I bet anyone of the last 20 team volunteers, has the engineering prowess and drive to lead this project on better than it's worked over the last years or so, 'cause nothings been done, Nada to show ... it's just that; someone's got to step out of the queue, walk to the front, turn round and say " Right, lets get started, we need to get a bit more organized."

This could be the start of a beautiful thing - who knows, friendships, maybe collaborations in the real world, maybe the next Tony Southgate or Tony Rudd, maybe a bunch of new motor engineer future laureates. Never doubt than greatness is possible for everyone of us, given the right circumstances and friends.

I'd enjoy offering a little encouragement, muttering 'well done' in the back round now and then :)

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Post by mach11 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:05 am

hey guys...

i have been in this forum for quite some time know... i have been going through this thread a couple of times and I am really interested in working on this project...

I am doing my final year in automotive engineering and I am the captain of the FSAE team in my univ....

I would like to know if this project is still on....
Also, I am working on such a project for my final yea project/thesis submission in my university... so I can also contribute to the development of the car...

my interests are in vehicle dynamics and vehicle setup...

Awaiting reply
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Post by humble sabot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:31 am

Ok Mac, i'm willing to start with that!

I'm seeing a Hartley v8, but that gearbox looks small, what is it?
can you post up a couple more angles?
Personally i'd love to do this as a stressed member engine-to-chassis for structural efficiency reasons. As you've had some time with the design what do you think can be done towards that? If we can't do it that way what fitting options do we have for the cradle?

we can learn from of Denis Palatov's oil tank work with the H1 if we go this route.
http://dpcars.net/atom/index.htm


That Costin is soooo awesome!! High-on-Octane I don't suppose you have some shots of the chassis aside from the line drawing? It's one of the classic, if not primary examples of the breed and is certainly worth some closer investigation.

I'd also like to suggest a little stronger push on the wood side in the sense that the panels can be made of wood and joined with carbon tape, this can help build a structure faster and precisely. Sort of a take-off on the old classic mclaren Mp4/1 and it's folded honeycomb board concept.
the four immutable forces:
static balance
dynamic balance
static imbalance
dynamic imbalance

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Post by humble sabot » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:26 am

Kozy wrote:Hello F1-Techincal!

I am looking to design a car myself, predominately an FSAE type car that I can use in my local motor clubs autotest championship, but also something that could be used for hillclimbing.

I started to design a car back at university (Oxford Brookes - Motorsport Engineering HND 2006) in Solidworks:

http://www.designerspace.com/pages/3-de ... olios.html

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I just realised you've used the same 'box as Mac. What have you gathered from the setup?
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the four immutable forces:
static balance
dynamic balance
static imbalance
dynamic imbalance

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Post by humble sabot » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:33 am

OOH Look what I found!!
http://silicon.fastnet.co.uk/specialist ... 156&sp=140

It's someone's project to restore a Costin Nathan Spyder, and so many pics.

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Also i found that there are wholesale sources for Bamboo Aluminum honeycomb panel. it's all bulk order stuff.
http://chinahoney.en.alibaba.com/produc ... panel.html

Bamboo has a lower density than any other wood with an equivalent surface hardness.
the four immutable forces:
static balance
dynamic balance
static imbalance
dynamic imbalance

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Post by Richied76 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:52 pm

my understanding is bamboo never really dies. and if you get it wet, it may begin to grow again. Hence you cant get bamboo flooring for bathrooms unlaminated. Anyway, not sure if this has been mentioned further up the thread, But fiberglass and birchply is increadbly strong when combined. my boats constructed of ribs with chop strand mat over the whole frame. No rot and it is just as strong as anyother steel boat, with the added savings, and weight

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Post by humble sabot » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:31 am

That's very interesting!
reminds me of willow. I've seen piles of willow logs several years old spontaneously sprout branches.

I'm used to thinking of birch as relatively heavy, but at the same time quite stable. One of the more common woods for these sorts of applications is -as used in the costin- okume. It's not, on its own considered especially strong, but is porous so will take on the epoxy rather well.
the four immutable forces:
static balance
dynamic balance
static imbalance
dynamic imbalance