Ok.bhall II wrote:This is just too rich. The guy who derisively compared this discussion to a "high school debate club" has himself offered nothing more than superficial jabs, and the guy who casually dismissed the work of technical directors collectively responsible for no fewer than 23 F1 World Championships says I'm arrogant.
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The OWG:
I didn't dismiss the their theoretical work. Reality just knocked it to the ground. They dissed something that other categories have always successfully used. What they came up with, the adjustable front wings, failed miserably. Now they overshot it with the DRS.
If someone takes a minute to look at the people there, one will find Pat Simmonds. The guy who sent his driver hitting a wall to steal a race win. A lying cheater. I just can't believe the results of the OWG were not bent into shape to meet the agenda of the highly intelligent and ambitious people gathered there.
Wings without drag:
I don't even know where to start. Like I wrote before, it isn't even wrong. For what you propose to be true you'd need the wings to create a stable cone of stagnant air behind it. A huge shadow where air follows the car at it's approximate speed hence not impeding the car's advance where the wing crossed it. And better yet, this shadow cone needs to be shaped strictly within the projected front area of the car to make use of 100% of the effect without waste.
Deflectors on top of truck cabs do that. The end bulges of the F-E car's wing you posted could do that and indeed have a net negative effect on drag. But extrapolating that into the downforce generating part of the wing is just silly.
High school debate club:
The fact that you bore most people into submission doesn't mean you're right. That's usually the case with me: I just look and shut up to avoid being dragged into the mess. Sometimes it's just too wrong and can't be left alone. People come here for knowledge. You can't just make things up as you go and spread disinformation like that. Front wings have a very big contribution in total drag of a F1 car. Convincing people otherwise is wrong.