2018 Tyre Thread

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by turbof1 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Next year, during winter testing:

"Ok Lewis, come back in. We'll get our Superhards on".

yeah I could not help myself. I'll show myself out.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by PhillipM » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:49 pm

I think they just need to stop this ridiculousness, and just bring track specific 'soft, hard, qualifying' tyres.
They're at the point where they have track specific tyres now anyway, so all the old 4 compounds to save on costs has already gone out the window.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by GPR-A » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:00 pm

So, what are we going to witness now? 3 Engines and drivers cannot push. Softer tyres and drivers cannot push. Add to that, the 30kg extra weight of Halo. Slower, Slower and Slower cars.

We saw a few races this year like Barcelona, Russia, Austria and Spa where driver chasing can push for longer and provided exciting finishes to the races. With tyres getting softer, 2 or 3 hard push laps and the tyres would be gone, then driver gives up the chase. With cars getting slower due to the factors mentioned above, even if the tyres gets 4 steps softer we would still witness 1 stoppers. Everyone would go slow anyway. THERE WILL NEVER BE HARD CORE racing with cheese cake tyres.

For god sake, why can't mandate use of 3 compounds in every race! That would take away the premium of preserving the tyres AND you can let the tyres be more durable. You don't need SuperHard and MegaSoft compounds. UltraSoft, SuperSoft, Soft and Hard (change the name of medium to hard). Just leave the tyre behavior as it is!

As much as the 2017 regulations change was intended to make the cars go faster, the FIA keeps shooting in foot over and over again. The more they take away the performance, the more it favors the big teams as they can spend a few millions more and push the mid-field and back markers even further behind. They don't have extra millions to spend. So, after a few laps, we will witness racing in 3 categories. One at the front, between HIGH BUDGET teams, one in the middle with MEDIUM BUDGET teams and PARTICIPATION at the back with LOW BUDGET teams.

And then FIA once again forms committees to find out, why there is no closer racing?

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Sevach » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:03 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:29 pm
I dare Pirelli to add a Sloppyhard, I just dare them :lol: .

So if I get it right, the hypersoft will be 2 steps softer than the current 2017 ultrasoft, while the superhard will roughly be the 2017 hard tyre. To my knowledge the hard was never used by any team in the race, so I really fail to see the use of such a tyre.

You are not the only one.
The hard was only taken to Spain and teams avoided it like the plague.

Do the racing rules change? Still 3 choices per weekend? Strategies will still be boring and this will be a pointless change.

At this point i would say even the Bridgestone strategy was more exciting, just 2 compounds per weekend, but 1 step apart.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:25 am

Thunder wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:23 pm
Because we needed a SuperHard Tire... :wtf:
I think the superhard is essentially the same hard from this year and the 2018 hard is the compound that is closer performance to the medium tyre, but still hard enough to last a race distance. There was an enormous gap between medium and hard that no one used them at all. This should fix that problem.
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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Restomaniac » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:51 am

It should still have been an open choice.

Every driver (not team) need to bring 2 compounds (need to be side by side compounds HS-US, US-SS, SS-S, S-M, etc) of which is both needed to be used. With it being totally up to the drivers with no input from the FIA.
Fancy a 3 stopper? Then go for the softest pair and qualify highest as possible. However want to go longer in the race then you lose the fastest tyre in qualifying. Everyone wants a mixed up grid and overtaking. There you go.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by santos » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:47 pm

All i can say about the tyres for 2018 is: #-o

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Just_a_fan » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:21 pm

Restomaniac wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:51 am
Fancy a 3 stopper? Then go for the softest pair and qualify highest as possible. However want to go longer in the race then you lose the fastest tyre in qualifying. Everyone wants a mixed up grid and overtaking. There you go.
Nice idea in theory but the reality is that there is generally one quick strategy and teams will tend to gravitate towards it. You might get a mid field team trying something different but the top end will generally all do the same number of stops.
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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Restomaniac » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:33 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:21 pm
Restomaniac wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:51 am
Fancy a 3 stopper? Then go for the softest pair and qualify highest as possible. However want to go longer in the race then you lose the fastest tyre in qualifying. Everyone wants a mixed up grid and overtaking. There you go.
Nice idea in theory but the reality is that there is generally one quick strategy and teams will tend to gravitate towards it. You might get a mid field team trying something different but the top end will generally all do the same number of stops.
Better than the current set up when everyone is in a straight jacket of 'that's all you're allowed sorry'. Sounds like the HS and US are going to be made if soft cheese again in 2018 so it would make teams possibly think outside the box.
Teams take a punt if they are given a chance. This would be that.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by F1NAC » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:48 pm

GPR-A wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:00 pm
So, what are we going to witness now? 3 Engines and drivers cannot push. Softer tyres and drivers cannot push. Add to that, the 30kg extra weight of Halo. Slower, Slower and Slower cars.

14 kilos is HALO. Minimium weight raises for 6 kg next year

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Juzh » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:35 am

Mario Isola just exaplained during an interview with sky sports that super hard is not going to be used at all and that it's only available in the range in case 2018 cars are somehow generating much more downforce than predicted.

He also said 2018 hypersoft is 2 steps softer than 2017 ultrasoft.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by NL_Fer » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:28 pm

So 2017 Hard -> Superhard 2018
2017 Medium -> Hard 2018
2017 Soft -> Medium 2018
2017 Supersoft -> Soft 2018
2017 Ultrasoft -> Supersoft 2018
2017 ..... -> Ultrasoft 2018
2017 ..... -> Hypersoft 2018

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:21 am

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by Nickel » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:26 am

It bothers my symmetry ocd that they didn't go ultra hard to ultra soft.

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Re: 2018 Tyre Thread

Post by f1316 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:29 am

F1NAC wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:48 pm
GPR-A wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:00 pm
So, what are we going to witness now? 3 Engines and drivers cannot push. Softer tyres and drivers cannot push. Add to that, the 30kg extra weight of Halo. Slower, Slower and Slower cars.

14 kilos is HALO. Minimium weight raises for 6 kg next year
We should note that Pirelli have said these tyres, whilst softer, will retain the characteristics of this year - I.e. drivers will still be able to push them. We can presume it’s probably the difference between just general ware and thermal degradation which we had pre2017.

Lewis said the hyper silly softs were the best tyres Pirelli have made, so it would seem this is true.