2022 Aero Thread

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JordanMugen wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:48 pm
I note Newey said (apparently) that there "isn't much to find" in these 2022 aero regulations?

Would it be fair to expect all the 2022 F1 cars to all have more or less the same aerodynamic performance properties (like, in the extreme case, in say Indycar where they are all exactly identical), and the points of difference in competitiveness to be centred around suspension tuning and power units? :?:

Although, the gearbox housing and suspension geometry will stay play a role in aerodynamic performance in F1... :wink:
In a near-spec series like that, a 1%gain makes you champion. It's going to be a copycat season for sure if they are all so similar that their aero ideas will easily adapt to other teams.

Conspiracy Theory:

Mercs customer teams all converge independently on the same-ish concept, and.there are protests..🙄
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JordanMugen wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:48 pm
I note Newey said (apparently) that there "isn't much to find" in these 2022 aero regulations?

Would it be fair to expect all the 2022 F1 cars to all have more or less the same aerodynamic performance properties (like, in the extreme case, in say Indycar where they are all exactly identical), and the points of difference in competitiveness to be centred around suspension tuning and power units? :?:

Although, the gearbox housing and suspension geometry will stay play a role in aerodynamic performance in F1... :wink:
That would mean another power unit dominated era. We all know how that worked out in 2014
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JordanMugen wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:48 pm
I note Newey said (apparently) that there "isn't much to find" in these 2022 aero regulations?
Newey's opinion on 2022 (2021 before they were delayed) 39m12s onwards if the time stamp doesn't work, continues after the advert.


"...I'm not sure it will achieve what it's setting out to do, but even if it does it seems an incredibly inelegant way of doing it..."

"...from a spectator point of view the cars will look ... similar to each other. They will look even more identical to each other, and it will be about tiny details on the underside of front wings and the undersides of floors and stuff. That nobody will be able to see..."
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JordanMugen wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:48 pm
I note Newey said (apparently) that there "isn't much to find" in these 2022 aero regulations?

Would it be fair to expect all the 2022 F1 cars to all have more or less the same aerodynamic performance properties (like, in the extreme case, in say Indycar where they are all exactly identical), and the points of difference in competitiveness to be centred around suspension tuning and power units? :?:

Although, the gearbox housing and suspension geometry will stay play a role in aerodynamic performance in F1... :wink:
When IndyCar allowed minimal development, there was still room for teams to find performance. Iirc Penske was able to gain quite a big performance advantage.
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Ahead of the full size model reveal on the 15th issue #5 of the 2022 rules has been released ](*,) Looks like nothing major has changed to the rule volumes at least.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -07-08.pdf
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Looks like there's a new fuel bladder test to prevent the filler pulling out of the chassis.
6.2.2 Where the fuel bladder is attached to the survival cell, fixings must be designed so that if it is pulled away from the survival cell, the attachment will fail without compromising the integrity of the fuel bladder. For this assessment, the pull-out load for any fitting will be calculated from the clamp area between the fitting and the bladder (on one face of the bladder). Between a clamp area of 450mm2 and 13 000mm2, the load will be a linear interpolation between points (450mm2, 8kN) and (13 000mm2, 35kN). Above a clamp area of 13 000mm2, the load will be taken as 35kN.
And some new rear wing load tests and a ban on heating anything other than the outer tyre surface. Thankfully mass hasn't increased, for once :lol:
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Mercedes teasing us. Seems like more will be revealed this afternoon.

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2pm uk time (in 15 minutes) on f1 YouTube channel.
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🤮 those hubcaps. No es bueno.
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🤮 those hubcaps. No es bueno.
It looks like an IndyCar, those look better though ](*,)
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Morteza wrote:
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jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:45 pm
🤮 those hubcaps. No es bueno.
It looks like an IndyCar, those look better though ](*,)
It’s weird. Like trying to be futuristic by copying a 95/96 champ car. Then sticking on hubcaps off a 1950s American pickup.
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jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:50 pm
Morteza wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:48 pm
jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:45 pm

🤮 those hubcaps. No es bueno.
It looks like an IndyCar, those look better though ](*,)
It’s weird. Like trying to be futuristic by copying a 95/96 champ car. Then sticking on hubcaps off a 1950s American pickup.
The hubcaps should have been painted black. What's with this rainbow effect? Is that RGB? :mrgreen:
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jjn9128 wrote:
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It’s weird. Like trying to be futuristic by copying a 95/96 champ car. Then sticking on hubcaps off a 1950s American pickup.
Is there a reason for the wheel covers to be like that, instead of completely flat? :?:

The very stubby and wide nose is also curious. Will the real cars retain the narrow noses which they currently have? The other FIA concept shows the front wing main flap extending ahead of the nose ala FW14B, which might be another possibility? :?:

I hadn't realised how far off the ground the front wing is. The mock-up car shows a strange downards slope to the front wing from the nose, in reality will the main element of the real front wings immediately curve down rather aggressively much like the Tyrrell 019 -- provided that is permitted?

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are those steel rims there? :lol: Woah finally during winter I have something similar to F1 on my car 8)

Other than that, I don't like it. It just doesn't fit. Rear wing only does it for me. Else :?

WTF is that nose #-o