To elaborate on Turbo's point a little : when this car thread is 600 pages long, it will be far easier to find out about the Mercedes intercooler in the Intercooler thread that is only 20-30 pages long.SiLo wrote:But I wanted to read about the intercooler on this car, not the other cars... Or generic intercoolers....
The issue we are experiencing is that we have too many different discussions in one thread.Ra8 wrote:Didn't know where to post in this sea of threads... Finally found one and its exactly what i need... This post was inspired by Mercedes AMG F1 W05 thread and discussion there today...
Never seen a forum moving and deleting so much stuff as this one does... and i've been on different forums for more than 10 years...
To tell you the truth it's more tiring to read all the moderator explainings why and where they moved something than it is to read what has actually been moved. At least if you read the forum daily as probably most do. And there arrives my second problem with this forum,... its totally messed up with ten's of subthreads... You can barley find what you looking for and there's just too many sub threads which could be summed up by one general Thread.
For example writing about exhaust in Red Bull thread just to find it being moved next day to a separate "Red Bull exhaust" thread... where's the point in doing that? Maybe to be the most threaded forum in the world?!? Sorry but I just don't get it. Your making sand out of already built concrete.
For most people, a site like this is about socialising around their interest in F1, not being led down highly regimented structures that can be very counter-intuitive. As far as socialising is concerned, highly rigid structures are intrusive and kill the spirit. These are my opinions anyway.flyboy2160 wrote:To elaborate on Turbo's point a little : when this car thread is 600 pages long, it will be far easier to find out about the Mercedes intercooler in the Intercooler thread that is only 20-30 pages long.SiLo wrote:But I wanted to read about the intercooler on this car, not the other cars... Or generic intercoolers....
You got the wrong impressions - we don't want a wiki, even if you believe that our efforts resemble that. Second, we have database of articles that resembles that already.SiLo wrote:Or launch a site wiki? Which has the best info on all the cars that aren't discussion related, just hard facts or very good reasoning. That way the discussion still stands and mods can pick stuff out rather than delete it and add it to the car wiki.
Actually not a such a bad idea. I have my questions about it however: say one uses a filter, replies on a message several days old, then somebody who doesn't use a filter will get to see that reply parked in the middle of a different discussion. Imagine this happening constantly; for the ones not using a filter it would become unreadable, as he would have pieces of different broken discussions all over his screen.db__ wrote:How about a third option - tagging individual posts within a thread and the ability to filter your view of the thread based on those tags.
That way those that want to follow the natural ebb and flow of a discussion with posts that could very easily be on one or more threads can do so without having to play 'hunt the thread'. Those that want to limit their search would also be able to do so.
Actually once we get a good division of threads we'll thread the car threads way less strictly. You are right - we need a thread that is way less strict. I think I'll take a note of this too and discuss with the other mods how informal we'll go with the car threads once discussion is channeled correct in the side threads.elf341 wrote:Why not create an informal thread for the cars which you will not moderate?
Sometimes people want to discuss the general merits of a car, e.g. good or bad in slow corners, or "this car doesn't have enough rear df for vettel", etc. - but this discussion is banned because "it has to be ON the car" for it to be in the thread. I've seen such discussions also moved into the team thread, which also is not the right place for this subject.
The pre-season speculation threads were perfect in this regard as you could post anything and not have discussion deleted.
Sometimes we like to converse in an informal and non-technical way, but still about a directed topic like a particular car.
You are mistaken. We got dozens of reports each day about off topic discussion. This happens at the background, of which only moderators have a view on, and because very few people complain about it in the threads itself, it's understandable you have the perception that nobody has issues with the current affairs.Owen.C93 wrote:It seems like you're creating solutions to problems that nobody really has a problem with.
How is that concerning time space any different from today? Today we have tons of pictures mixed with several discussions going criss cross through the car topics, in ONE page. Following an interesting discussion about a particular subject is time consuming because chances are you are looking at a post about discussion A and then have to scroll through discussion B,C and D before getting follow up on A. Not to mention the off topic chatter.Yes the car threads are long but I really don't have the time to go through the W05 intercooler topic, the W05 diffuser topic, the W05 nose topic; for every single car. Especially as there is an abundance of users who simply keep asking the same "When are the updates coming and how much money should I bet on Ferrari for the next race?", not to mention the 50 same pics of a front wing.
That actually isn't a bad idea. Alright, I'll put that up for discussion too. However, we don't want to kill off discussion, we want to have people discussing the parts of the car, but not in criss cross way throughout eachother. IMO, this idea isn't that much different then our articles on the front page and the car threads in the forum. But again, we'll consider it.I think there should be a discussion topic and then a locked update topic where after every race/test the changes to the car are logged along with brief descriptions and a link to the point in the main topic where people discussed it. That way you have a nice small thread for users to browse all of the updates and new tech, and an actual discussion topic for that thread.