Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by horse » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:51 pm

Why don't you make it so that you are only as good as your last ten posts?

This way you encourage users to consider every post they make, and you don't discourage occasional users like me... :wink:
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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by BanMeToo » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:49 pm

Suggestion - remove all voting powers from the member(s) who upvote almost every post made in a Williams thread. To me this is by far the most prominent example of voting abuse on this site.

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by ChrisDanger » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:47 pm

BanMeToo wrote:Suggestion - remove all voting powers from the member(s) who upvote almost every post made in a Williams thread. To me this is by far the most prominent example of voting abuse on this site.
I've also noticed this. It's an anomaly. Check out the average percentage posts with votes.

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Team           Posts          Votes          % Votes
Williams        70             57             81%
Mercedes        56             16             29%
McLaren         156            31             20%
Red Bull        99             17             17%
Renault         216            36             17%
Ferrari         37             4              11%
Manor           88             8               9%
Haas            57             5               9%
Sauber          17             1               6%
Force India     76             3               4%
Torro Rosso     4              0               0%

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by bdr529 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:05 pm

ChrisDanger wrote:
BanMeToo wrote:Suggestion - remove all voting powers from the member(s) who upvote almost every post made in a Williams thread. To me this is by far the most prominent example of voting abuse on this site.
I've also noticed this. It's an anomaly. Check out the average percentage posts with votes.

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Team           Posts          Votes          % Votes
Williams        70             57             81%
Williams speculation thread is any better: 119 post, 160 votes = 134%

I'm not sure what's climbing faster the US debt or Williams up votes

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by turbof1 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:39 pm

We are working on that particular problem. We had a similar (although unrelated) case at one of the Red Bull threads; somebody just went a bit too enthousiastic with the upvote button.

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by J.A.W. » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:55 am

Well.. I note that any putative reform of the system has failed to check it being used as a form of baseless abuse..
I recently received an anonymous downvote - on completely spurious grounds, & sans recourse or review, naturally..
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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by Steven » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:30 pm

J.A.W. wrote:Well.. I note that any putative reform of the system has failed to check it being used as a form of baseless abuse..
I recently received an anonymous downvote - on completely spurious grounds, & sans recourse or review, naturally..
So, it turns out that I'm not the only one who thinks that your posts are often somewhat off-topic.
Interesting....

PS: Since the site update, there have been 3 downvotes in total.

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by ChrisF1 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:19 pm

Steven wrote:
J.A.W. wrote:Well.. I note that any putative reform of the system has failed to check it being used as a form of baseless abuse..
I recently received an anonymous downvote - on completely spurious grounds, & sans recourse or review, naturally..
So, it turns out that I'm not the only one who thinks that your posts are often somewhat off-topic.
Interesting....

PS: Since the site update, there have been 3 downvotes in total.
Sounds like the update has broken the downvote button then :lol:

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by Steven » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:26 pm

I was hoping that people had become more sensible in downvoting, now that a reason is required ;)
But yes, it was broken for a day or so :D

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by J.A.W. » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:53 am

Steven wrote:
J.A.W. wrote:Well.. I note that any putative reform of the system has failed to check it being used as a form of baseless abuse..
I recently received an anonymous downvote - on completely spurious grounds, & sans recourse or review, naturally..
So, it turns out that I'm not the only one who thinks that your posts are often somewhat off-topic.
Interesting....

PS: Since the site update, there have been 3 downvotes in total.

Oh no Steven.. was it you?
&, "...often somewhat off-topic." ?
Well, I don't think so Steven, & certainly not in this instance..

But as for my posts being "interesting.." ok, sure, - that is intentional.. l.o.l...

Perhaps if every 'reputation vote' auto-included the voter's ID?
Then those who persist with dubious/opinionated votes will be 'outed' - as abusers of the system?

& has it been made more egalitarian yet?
So that all registered members - have the same voting opportunities?
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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by J.A.W. » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:10 am

Ok, so voting options are unchanged, & remain fundamentally unfair IMO..

I get a to award a single daily up-vote, & zero down-votes, yet I may be subject to bogus & anonymous down-votes given
for clearly emotive reasons, even if it is spuriously labeled as one of the 'stock' putative technical reasons.

Why is it that those unable to issue a down-vote.. are none-the-less haplessly subject to them?

It simply aint right, natural justice-wise.. & is an 'elephant in the room' of 'reputation', since it rewards bias..

& how come that lousy single up-vote has to be used daily, or lost?
Why can't they be 'banked' or accumulated - for use when a number of fitting posts appear in close succession?
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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by Steven » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:29 pm

Because

- That's how it works
- That's how it was agreed among a number of long-term members and mods
- That's how we decided to limit votes
- Everyone is subject to downvotes to avoid them spawning nonsense continuously

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by J.A.W. » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:00 am

Well Steven, the system "works" for the privileged, sure, just as it did for the nobility of France - until 1789..

But it simply aint right.. & clearly needs reform.. not that the turkeys will vote for Xmas, of course..
Dr Livingstone sez..
"Och mon.. you've brought me a bonnie wee dram! Aye - you're a champ, Stanley."

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by turbof1 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:28 pm

My god, JAW... . Next you'll involve Marx and the proletarian concept. Your reasoning is completely flawed:
-The reason why you can only upvote once a day and not downvote is because your reputation is too low. 98% of the people who joined around the same you did have a better reputation and have more voting options. The 2 other % failed to do so because they contributed nonsense on a constant base. None of 100% was given any privilege: all earned it themselves.
-If you want to earn more voting options, then you'll have to start looking at yourself. What do I post? Why are my posts not getting upvoted? Have I sticked correctly to the guidelines of the forums? The greatest argument why this is not a privilege is because you have that in your own hands! Yes, on occasion a downvote is wrongfully given. In such cases, the moderators will correct if informed. However, those cases are exceptions. Most of the time downvotes are rightly given.

So please stop moaning. You have complained a lot, but I have not readed ANY proposal towards a solution of what you think is the problem. Other members here atleast have gone through the effort to propose something atleast.

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Re: Voting system updates - Call for suggestions

Post by J.A.W. » Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:55 pm

Hmmm.. now what is this thread about?

Oh, that's right, it is for - suggestions about updating the voting system..

I have received dozens of upvotes for my contributions, unfortunately/improperly this has been matched
by down-votes given for bogus, non-technical reasons.

That an elitist cabal can functionally do this.. clearly shows there is an overt flaw in the system.. surely.

& when certain posters who quite evidently have a shallow technical grasp, but gain multiple up-votes for
populist/gimmick type posts, it does tend to debase the system.

All I ask if, that this forum follow norms, 1 member - 1 vote, reason for vote must be' technical'& no anonymous votes.
There's a 'suggestion' ( & anyhow, unless faults are pointed out, how can reforms be identified as worthwhile? ).
Dr Livingstone sez..
"Och mon.. you've brought me a bonnie wee dram! Aye - you're a champ, Stanley."