FittingMechanics wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:11 am
Mclarensenna wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:13 am
Norris got on the radio 5 laps after the restart saying RIc driving too slow. Then RIc got the hurry up and went .7 seconds quicker the following lap. Norris when he asked is it best if he stays where he is was at that point exactly 1.2 seconds behind when he said this out of DRS.
Norris was not close.
Even before the hurry up Ric had it completely under control. Max with a much faster car was even closer than Norris for many laps and did not even close to an overtake. Ric was doing the bare minimum, keeping Max in the dirty air basically frustrating Max into burning up his tyres. Max even had a big lock up near the end his tyres were so dead from Rics driving. Max had no chance of passing Ric and Norris even less.
I don't want to be overly antagonistic as it's not needed, we agree, but let me offer a couple of counterpoints.
1. Lando did get to 0.2 or 0.3 during a single lap, it was around T4 chicane and I thought he is attacking. I don't have the timing charts but it doesn't really matter, my point stands. Doesn't mean he had speed to overtake but given that Norris thinks he maybe had a chance, it's not out of the realm of possibility. (it's possible Ricciardo would then be the faster one due to DRS/slipstream leading to a stupid situation where teammates fight constantly).
2. Lando is in the same car as Ricciardo which means that Red Bull comparison does not fit. Both Mercedes and Red Bull were slower on the main straight than McLaren and that is the spot where you can overtake. The fact that Red Bull or Mercedes in clean air is faster does not mean a thing. Now if you take into account that Norris is in the same car (fastest on the straight), but has DRS and slipstream, I don't see it impossible he would have a chance to overtake.
3. I couldn't find laptimes to verify that Ricciardo wen't 0.7 faster or if Lando dropped off.
As a finishing point, I am very happy that Ricciardo won and that Lando took P2. It is good for team dynamic, Lando had his share of success this season and it's very good that Ricciardo is getting a confidence boost. Hopefully this means we will have two strong performers in the future.
You are replying to my post reply by slightly rewording your previous post i replied to.
"FittingMechanics wrote: ↑
15 Sep 2021, 16:21
Norris did start to close the gap at one time, I remember him coming down to 0.2 or 0.3s at the T4 chicane. I was worried he might be going for an attack so I definitely noticed that. Afterward he had his team radio "Is it best if I stay where I am" and he dropped to a 1-1.5s gap for the remainder.
It's hard to really say if he could have made the pass work and would Ricciardo be able to counter. I wouldn't really spend much time thinking about it. "
<------Are you claiming he was .2 seconds behind then the radio call and he fell back to 1-1.5 seconds gap after the radio call???
As unfortunately did not happen at all. Lando came on the radio 5 laps after the restart to say Ric driving slow and to speed up and Lando was exactly .6 seconds behind in the DRS at that exact moment of the radio broadcast.
Lando had the DRS and looked to me like he was trying to pass Ric but could not get close enough.
Why did Lando ask Ric to pick up the pace though? Well he had a car right behind in DRS about to overtake him so he was vulnerable and wanted Ric to pick up the pace which is understandable and the team made the call to Ric.
Ric immediately went exactly .7 seconds quicker than his previous lap. So Ric sped up and clearly had way more pace in the pocket to be able to do that. It was literally on the TV coverage with the lap time on the screen if you watched the sky sports coverage.
And when Lando came on the radio saying should i stay where i am 10 laps after the restart, he was 1.2 seconds seconds behind Ric out of DRS range.
Rewatch the race again my friend you will see it very clear
Not taking anything away from Norris he drove a flawless race. But there is no evidence he could have overtaken Ric as Ric was just managing the pace up front and very in control.