Mercedes W14 Speculation Thread

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Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed

And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

[AR3-GP]

Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed

And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

The Renault was the worst engine. After Ferrari's adjustments, it's likely that the ranking was Ferrari<=Renault<Mercedes<Honda

[continuum16]

Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed

And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

There would be differences, sure, but I read it more as “wow here’s an engine that actually worked all day” and Alonso wanting to throw shade at Alpine/Renault more than any vast performance difference. Keep in mind Alonso retired from the Abu Dhabi race with mechanical problems only two days earlier. You know Alonso can’t resist having little digs at things he doesn’t care for…

After the first season of the “frozen” engine regs, I don’t think the PU is a difference maker for Merc one way or the other. Not the advantage it used to be but not the potential handicap it looked like after the first couple of races.

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Mercedes VTT clearly shown in this new video

[Henri]

Looks promising.. the suspension and traction where a weak point vs ferrari and red bull in slow corners

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Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed

And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

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Nope. As Continuum16 said, Alonso was just being 'sarcastic' about the better reliability of the Mercedes.
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Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed
And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

The Renault was the worst engine. After Ferrari's adjustments, it's likely that the ranking was Ferrari<=Renault<Mercedes<Honda

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Based on what (except reliability)? according to AMuS who asked engineers from different teams, Scarbs who also talks with people in the paddocks and Bruno Famin who seem to be objective and didnt develop that PU, the Renault is definitely not the worst if we're talking about performance, not juts peak power.
Regarding the unreliability, most of the causes are known and were known even before the season stated. And their solving is probably a question of time (like in 2019-2020).
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Mercedes VTT clearly shown in this new video

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Where? the video shows different test benches that test different components of the car. No full car test bed there. That chassis bench is just a 7-post rig to test the suspensions

[AR3-GP]

The Renault was the worst engine. After Ferrari's adjustments, it's likely that the ranking was Ferrari<=Renault<Mercedes<Honda

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Based on what (except reliability)? according to AMuS who asked engineers from different teams, Scarbs who also talks with people in the paddocks and Bruno Famin who seem to be objective and didnt develop that PU, the Renault is definitely not the worst if we're talking about performance, not juts peak power.
Regarding the unreliability, most of the causes are known and were known even before the season stated. And their solving is probably a question of time (like in 2019-2020).
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Based on reliability, and based on the Alonso butt dyno being surprised how well a very used Mercedes PU ran at the Abu Dhabi test last year, implying the Renault has high power degradation over its lifetime. and that's even considering that the AM was a very draggy car.

[RedNEO]

The Renault was the worst engine. After Ferrari's adjustments, it's likely that the ranking was Ferrari<=Renault<Mercedes<Honda

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Based on what (except reliability)? according to AMuS who asked engineers from different teams, Scarbs who also talks with people in the paddocks and Bruno Famin who seem to be objective and didnt develop that PU, the Renault is definitely not the worst if we're talking about performance, not juts peak power.
Regarding the unreliability, most of the causes are known and were known even before the season stated. And their solving is probably a question of time (like in 2019-2020).
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Based on reliability, and based on the Alonso butt dyno being surprised how well a very used Mercedes PU ran at the Abu Dhabi test last year, implying the Renault has high power degradation over its lifetime. and that's even considering that the AM was a very draggy car.

This plus the only way we can get some kind of idea about performance in same aero configuration is Monza since nobody else is wanting to use the Renault and in that weekend Alpine decked out Ocon with a brand new PU plus new everything and it was interesting to see him finish out the top ten even beat by NDV in the Williams on his debut who finished in 8th.

[etusch]

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Based on what (except reliability)? according to AMuS who asked engineers from different teams, Scarbs who also talks with people in the paddocks and Bruno Famin who seem to be objective and didnt develop that PU, the Renault is definitely not the worst if we're talking about performance, not juts peak power.
Regarding the unreliability, most of the causes are known and were known even before the season stated. And their solving is probably a question of time (like in 2019-2020).
.

Based on reliability, and based on the Alonso butt dyno being surprised how well a very used Mercedes PU ran at the Abu Dhabi test last year, implying the Renault has high power degradation over its lifetime. and that's even considering that the AM was a very draggy car.

This plus the only way we can get some kind of idea about performance in same aero configuration is Monza since nobody else is wanting to use the Renault and in that weekend Alpine decked out Ocon with a brand new PU plus new everything and it was interesting to see him finish out the top ten even beat by NDV in the Williams on his debut who finished in 8th.

I think it was not about engine but it was about tracks Renault car like or not like. Renault was good some aero level and tracks and not good at some others.

[Venturiation]

Looks promising.. the suspension and traction where a weak point vs ferrari and red bull in slow corners

That source is unreliable

[Venturiation]

Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed

And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

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Nope. As Continuum16 said, Alonso was just being 'sarcastic' about the better reliability of the Mercedes.
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Alonso after the abu dhabi gp did a pirelli test i think for aston martin and he instantly said he was very impressed by the Mercedes engine and it was the first thing he noticed
And if we consider that he drove the slow aston martin while the entire year he was in the way superior alpine that finished 4th there has to be something if he noticed the engine

The Renault was the worst engine. After Ferrari's adjustments, it's likely that the ranking was Ferrari<=Renault<Mercedes<Honda

.
Based on what (except reliability)? according to AMuS who asked engineers from different teams, Scarbs who also talks with people in the paddocks and Bruno Famin who seem to be objective and didnt develop that PU, the Renault is definitely not the worst if we're talking about performance, not juts peak power.
Regarding the unreliability, most of the causes are known and were known even before the season stated. And their solving is probably a question of time (like in 2019-2020).
.

Mercedes VTT clearly shown in this new video

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Where? the video shows different test benches that test different components of the car. No full car test bed there. That chassis bench is just a 7-post rig to test the suspensions

PhilipM already said in the mclaren thread that from his info , no one at Mclaren complained about the Mercedes engine or blamed their performance on the engine
I think it was just the merc powered cars that got their aero and suspension wrong

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Mercedes 2023 rear suspension is pull rod, so no changes

[chrisc90]

Still a pull rod the same as last year then?

I do wonder how much a pull vs push rod suspension setup has on performance.

Even more interesting is is must be something shocker/dampening related given RB brought a new set of dampers to the second day of testing in 2022 I think it was.

[Venturiation]

Still a pull rod the same as last year then?

I do wonder how much a pull vs push rod suspension setup has on performance.

Even more interesting is is must be something shocker/dampening related given RB brought a new set of dampers to the second day of testing in 2022 I think it was.

We don’t know about the front

Mclaren and Redbull are the only to use pull road at the front

[AR3-GP]

Still a pull rod the same as last year then?

I do wonder how much a pull vs push rod suspension setup has on performance.

In terms of the dynamic behavior, there is no difference. Any type of dynamic rate solution you want to achieve with a pull rod can be achieved with a push rod.

What matters is how the position of the linkage (push or pull) influences other packaging and airflow around the brake ducts, floor, and diffuser.

In essence the "best one" is the one that is best suited to your aero concept. You can be certain that Mercedes picked the one that is best suited to their aero concept and likewise, Red Bull and Ferrari did the same.

It's the constructor/minion teams like Williams, Aston, Alpha, Haas who don't get to choose. They simply run whatever the factory runs regardless of how it suits their aero concept.