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Rikrikrik wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:06 pm
Some people are saying Aston Martin are internally questioning the recent Alonso's performance. What u think about it? just haters? maybe any realistic thing to ask it? what u guays thinks about it?
First and Last they should ?mark Stroll performance before questioning Alonso even at Age of 42 he is much much superior driver then what this paddock have right now

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diffuser wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:02 pm
KimiRai wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:53 pm
It's Nugnes so caution is advised, but if translation is correct he said in this video that "it seems that the request for Cardile at Aston Martin was made by Adrian Newey himself".

Any italian speakers that could help confirm this? (time already selected)



Xyz22 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:59 am
So is he replacing Andrew Green position who was moved in early 2023 if they are keeping the same job position names ?
You were italian, I think?
What I understood was that people believed that Cardile was leaving to make room for Newey but in fact it's the other way around, Newey requested bringing Cardile over to AMR.
Did they work together in the past ?

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With Cardile joining, Aston rectuted almost all Binotto's team :

- Amedeo Felisa, Roberto Fedeli as CTO, Marco Mattiaccci, Roberto Bisignani and now Enrico Cardile.
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Aston confirmed to bring upgrades to Hungary and Belgium. This will be an important package and if it doesn't work, the 2024/2025 development will be compromised.

All eyes are on Dan Fallows, as Lawrence Sr made an offer to Ferrari's Head of Aereodaynmics, Diego Tondi, but he refused....

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Nikosar wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:13 am
With Cardile joining, Aston rectuted almost all Binotto's team :

- Amedeo Felisa, Roberto Fedeli as CTO, Marco Mattiaccci, Roberto Bisignani and now Enrico Cardile.
Stroll recruites for both. Automotive (AM Lagonda) and Racing (AMR GP).

All these guys (Renato Bisignani btw) except Cardile are working for AM Lagonda and have nothing to do with F1.

The offer for Tondi was reported by Leo Turrini.


ps:

I guess Mattiacci is not allowed to visit AMR GP when ALO is in the house. :mrgreen:

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Nikosar wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:18 am
Aston confirmed to bring upgrades to Hungary and Belgium. This will be an important package and if it doesn't work, the 2024/2025 development will be compromised.

All eyes are on Dan Fallows, as Lawrence Sr made an offer to Ferrari's Head of Aereodaynmics, Diego Tondi, but he refused....
That's kind of misnomer, everytime upgrades don't work, the team has to stop moving forward and go back and figure out what went wrong before going down a new path. The Imola upgrades started being developed after testing. They were part of the Japan/Imola package. So AMR's development is still stuck at the beginning of 2024 and they've added another 10 weeks to manufacture new parts.

So yeah, if it fails again, they need to go back to April and figure what they're doing wrong.

You hope they have been able to replicate the issue in the windtunnel and then create new/correct CDF models with that info.

There is always the possibility that there is some new issue that they haven't seen.

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diffuser wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:29 pm
Nikosar wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:18 am
Aston confirmed to bring upgrades to Hungary and Belgium. This will be an important package and if it doesn't work, the 2024/2025 development will be compromised.

All eyes are on Dan Fallows, as Lawrence Sr made an offer to Ferrari's Head of Aereodaynmics, Diego Tondi, but he refused....
That's kind of misnomer, everytime upgrades don't work, the team has to stop moving forward and go back and figure out what went wrong before going down a new path. The Imola upgrades started being developed after testing. They were part of the Japan/Imola package. So AMR's development is still stuck at the beginning of 2024 and they've added another 10 weeks to manufacture new parts.

So yeah, if it fails again, they need to go back to April and figure what they're doing wrong.

You hope they have been able to replicate the issue in the windtunnel and then create new/correct CDF models with that info.

There is always the possibility that there is some new issue that they haven't seen.
Is not that easy, unfortunately many things changed since then. Like new Pirelli tyre, new technical directives, many banned things, new and stronger FIA bending test,and the cars got much faster.Just an example: Even if the 2023 Aston was fast and amazing car (2nd) in Monaco that time in 2024 wouldn't be enough in the Q3 or max for the 10th place .

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:16 pm
diffuser wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:29 pm
Nikosar wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:18 am
Aston confirmed to bring upgrades to Hungary and Belgium. This will be an important package and if it doesn't work, the 2024/2025 development will be compromised.

All eyes are on Dan Fallows, as Lawrence Sr made an offer to Ferrari's Head of Aereodaynmics, Diego Tondi, but he refused....
That's kind of misnomer, everytime upgrades don't work, the team has to stop moving forward and go back and figure out what went wrong before going down a new path. The Imola upgrades started being developed after testing. They were part of the Japan/Imola package. So AMR's development is still stuck at the beginning of 2024 and they've added another 10 weeks to manufacture new parts.

So yeah, if it fails again, they need to go back to April and figure what they're doing wrong.

You hope they have been able to replicate the issue in the windtunnel and then create new/correct CDF models with that info.

There is always the possibility that there is some new issue that they haven't seen.
Is not that easy, unfortunately many things changed since then. Like new Pirelli tyre, new technical directives, many banned things, new and stronger FIA bending test,and the cars got much faster.Just an example: Even if the 2023 Aston was fast and amazing car (2nd) in Monaco that time in 2024 wouldn't be enough in the Q3 or max for the 10th place .

I think the new regs using the floor is the biggest aero challenge. It's a whole new world they're exploring.

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was watching onboard from previous races and british gp. front wing flexes more. but its crazy how much the mclarens front wing flexes compared to ours. the curvature is a lot different to mclaren and red bulls in braking zones and straights.

but the car did look extremely planted during alonsos Q2 runs. probably best since japan. even though we qualied better in china. it looked more on the rails in japan to me

i would use more techincal term but my knowledge isnt good enough to know what to say

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The new merc front wing is also very flimsy

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Wolff confirmed alonso did not show interest in mercedes for 2025, looks like his big mistake one more time by saying no to merc and signing with aston

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max_speed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:25 pm
Wolff confirmed alonso did not show interest in mercedes for 2025, looks like his big mistake one more time by saying no to merc and signing with aston
Qualifying in Bahrain 2026 will show who was right. Until then, no one knows.
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KimiRai wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:28 pm
max_speed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:25 pm
Wolff confirmed alonso did not show interest in mercedes for 2025, looks like his big mistake one more time by saying no to merc and signing with aston
Qualifying in Bahrain 2026 will show who's right. Until then, no one knows.
People dnt respect merc much bit they are top team and getting on top of things so far looks like alonso made a mistake ( i am 90% sure on this, aston leadership is bunch of bafoons soon to be fired , i admire stroll senior's patience with them )

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max_speed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:31 pm
KimiRai wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:28 pm
max_speed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:25 pm
Wolff confirmed alonso did not show interest in mercedes for 2025, looks like his big mistake one more time by saying no to merc and signing with aston
Qualifying in Bahrain 2026 will show who's right. Until then, no one knows.
People dnt respect merc much bit they are top team and getting on top of things so far looks like alonso made a mistake ( i am 90% sure on this, aston leadership is bunch of bafoons soon to be fired , i admire stroll senior's patience with them )
Mclaren is exploring ways to get the Red Bull/Ford engine for 2026, it means they know something about the Mercedes engine....

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max_speed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:25 pm
Wolff confirmed alonso did not show interest in mercedes for 2025, looks like his big mistake one more time by saying no to merc and signing with aston
How is that a mistake if they only wanted him for 2025?