Depends on which laps you were checking. It should be harder to manage on worn tires, for sure, but if you see the onboard of the pole lap, everything is calm and clean. From woodcote and onwards, he is enjoying the advantage of the low drag with no visible drawback.venkyhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:58 pmYes, agree with the S1 and S3. But not ready to dismiss S2 entirely as just 'pin-the-throttle-car-will-take-it' type sector. Where the 'monza wing' gave a huge drag reduction advantage through T8-T9-T10-T11-T12, the trickiest bit of S2 is the T12-T13-T14 clumsy high speed turn, where the car can get out of shape very easily with a lowDF wing. Where the normal wing guys only have to 'really lift' for the 2nd phase of the back to back direction change, the lowDF guy has to do the same for both 1st and 2nd phases, that's like unloding, loading, then unloading - something that the car wont like, w.r.t balance. In one of the Q sessions (Q2 or Q3 first run) the camera shot that 'faced' this section showed the RB21 clearly snapping and then Max 'catching it' without losing time. That's where the big bucks paid to him gets justified.Emag wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:21 pmMost of the corners in S2 are easily flat out with these cars just because of the sheer amount of downforce coming from the floor. Pace there is not very “impressive” in itself. It was just a conscious setup choice by RedBull.venkyhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:53 pm
The car is the knifiest of the knife-edge cars out there. And then to make it worse, go to Silverstone with a Monza spec wing. And still be fastest in high speed corners - that takes spectacular talent. Typically, when lowDF wings are used, prioritizing straight line, it's a given that high speed , medium speed cornering etc will suffer. But not when you have a driver who specializes in stabilizing an unstable equilibrium.
The talent and the impressive bit comes into play at S1 and S3, where a driver of Max’s caliber does not only just minimize losses that come by running with a lesser loaded car compared to rivals, but sometimes he even betters them.
So you end up in a situation where your car is vastly outperforming the others in S2 (which is essentially just a long straight with a very short braking point in the middle), with your driver outperforming the others at the rest of the lap.
Could have easily been 2 tenths up if Max pushed the limit on S3, but by his own admission, he saw the gap after S2 and knew he had enough in hand to take the last sector safer.
Now it just remains to be seen how well the car will cope with the deg tomorrow, assuming we have a dry race.
You’re welcome. I’ll post more of his stuff here in the future
I'm pretty sure Max is in the mood to have the most competitive car he can. He's practiced enough at dismissing the media circus around him.TeamKoolGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:45 pmI see the opposite. If anything, Horner is signalling that Max is likely to take a year off. Max is not in the mood for a mega transfer with huge expectations and the media attention that it will bring.DDopey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:27 pmI still think Max is already gone if I hear Horner talking. Instead of using the superlatives that he used to (and others do) around Max, he is promoting the team. Yes, its a team effort, but we should be seeing a bit more from the 2nd drivers, if the team was doing a job like the McLaren team.
McLaren have two #1 drivers.
Max won't take a year offTeamKoolGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:45 pmI see the opposite. If anything, Horner is signalling that Max is likely to take a year off. Max is not in the mood for a mega transfer with huge expectations and the media attention that it will bring.DDopey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:27 pmI still think Max is already gone if I hear Horner talking. Instead of using the superlatives that he used to (and others do) around Max, he is promoting the team. Yes, its a team effort, but we should be seeing a bit more from the 2nd drivers, if the team was doing a job like the McLaren team.
McLaren have two #1 drivers.
The red bull low downforce wing is the only one that closely resembles their rivals. red bull's medium and higher downforce wings all are quite different compared to Ferrari/McLaren who have converged on a similar design..makes me believe that RB missed something thereCjC wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:05 pmAgain, I’m not taking anything away from the top job Max did but according to Stella the wind changed direction in favour of the low DF wing for quali…..
He did also say that Red Bull have done a really good job with the drag/ downforce relationship with this low DF wing (in my opinion Max will me mega in Spa again, maybe this time he’ll take the victory as well as the pole)
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COsted him 0.06 - 0.07s at most. Did not cost him a single position.ispano6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:13 pmHorner said after qualifying that Yuki suffered from a lack of e-boost which cost him a tenth or so. Not sure that would have put him in q3 and Bearman has a penalty as well.
Hopefully the setup tomorrow works out. Curious to know how different in spec the two are.
Only 0.6s off the 2020 pole lap...
He recently ruled out a sabbatical in an interview thoughTeamKoolGreen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 12:08 amMax will take a year off sometime between now and the next 3-5 years. Almost guaranteed.
Yep last thing I see it Max taking a year off.organic wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 12:25 amHe recently ruled out a sabbatical in an interview thoughTeamKoolGreen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 12:08 amMax will take a year off sometime between now and the next 3-5 years. Almost guaranteed.
Yep, Flintstone like. First, perform poorly in free practice and everyone would call it a trash car, a shopping cart etc., Then show the actual potential of the car and get pole. Viola, it's mega talent, the same talent that went missing in Austria qualifying. We used to see this sort of opera with Lewis at Mercedes in their heydays.
yes and people expect the second driver to match that while lacking the latest of updates its an impossible task .perez delta was sometimes over a second a lap yuki 0.5 tenth in q2 is not bad.redbull bought some new updates does anybody know how much they are worth because they had Ferrari and McLaren covered.kurtj wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 6:36 amYep, Flintstone like. First, perform poorly in free practice and everyone would call it a trash car, a shopping cart etc., Then show the actual potential of the car and get pole. Viola, it's mega talent, the same talent that went missing in Austria qualifying. We used to see this sort of opera with Lewis at Mercedes in their heydays.
