2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[Venturiation]

The brake issue fix was available. Leclerc chose not to change to the different specification discs. That's on him.

Which means his inability to outqualify Hamilton in Monaco is on him. And thus his position on track.

Tell us, if it were the other way round, and they had "messed up" Hamilton by pitting him behind Leclerc in the same way as Sunday, would you be decrying the team then? Or is it just that you like Leclerc?

And ultimately, Leclerc could have stayed out if he had wanted to. Only the driver steers the car in to the pitlane.

Wait hold up.

Leclerc was on his way to out-qualifying Hamilton and he hit the barriers; that had nothing to do with brakes! We can surmise they were working just dandy over the entire weekend.

When I view his on-board on F1 TV his accident does not seem to be caused by cold brakes or cold tyres. He was braking and acclerating repeatedly just fine throughout that warm up lap.

His comments after his accident seemed to point specifically to locking too hard upon application. He said he applied "only" 3 to 4 bars of pressure before the brakes caused the issue...

If we listen to the video it was clear he applied throttle before hitting the barriers. And again I rule out cold tyres and if they are cold it is on him. I suspect that was engine braking as he loves to do and the cars energy map kicked in and caused a surge - either in diff-locking the rears (the car had almost zero rotation) or litterally surging forward in torque.

He was complaining all weekend about the brakes.

all drivers complain about the brakes all weekend all races, get the radio log for every driver on the grid and you will see them complaining about the brakes

I have never seen a driver that always blames the team after 10 years being with them and achieving nothing
he made the same mistake as Stroll

[214270]

At one point during the race Hamilton said to his engineer (something like) stop messing with the power mate, just leave it. I thought the days where the pit wall had telematics to the car were gone and the driver had sole control now. Did I misinterpret what was happening? or can power settings still be tweaked from the engineering station?

before that point race engineer asked Hamilton to change the mode to FM or something which is something they were telling them to use during prep lap before push lap in qualy so them telling him to use that during race would mean very less power so i assumed that time he was just telling them to stop with that suggestion

It’s was for fuel saving. I already linked a vid of the race transcript, it’s this dismissal of FM & continuation in the former mode by HAM that I believe contributed to the extensive LiCo he had to do in the 2nd half of the race. Had he taken his lumps & moved to a fuel-saving strategy when this msg came through, it wouldn’t have been quite so dire in terms of pace in the 2nd half - but he wanted to stay aggressive I guess so you can’t blame him.

[AnotherAlex]

he made the same mistake as Stroll

Engine push, broken surface, whatever contributed to Stroll's accident his brakes were still able to lock the wheels, as shown by the skid-marks he left on the track.
Leclerc's brakes clearly failed and didn't stop his wheels from rotating. If you couldn't see the difference then there's no point discussing it.

[mzso]

Wait hold up.

Leclerc was on his way to out-qualifying Hamilton and he hit the barriers; that had nothing to do with brakes! We can surmise they were working just dandy over the entire weekend.

When I view his on-board on F1 TV his accident does not seem to be caused by cold brakes or cold tyres. He was braking and acclerating repeatedly just fine throughout that warm up lap.

His comments after his accident seemed to point specifically to locking too hard upon application. He said he applied "only" 3 to 4 bars of pressure before the brakes caused the issue...

If we listen to the video it was clear he applied throttle before hitting the barriers. And again I rule out cold tyres and if they are cold it is on him. I suspect that was engine braking as he loves to do and the cars energy map kicked in and caused a surge - either in diff-locking the rears (the car had almost zero rotation) or litterally surging forward in torque.

He was complaining all weekend about the brakes.

all drivers complain about the brakes all weekend all races, get the radio log for every driver on the grid and you will see them complaining about the brakes

I have never seen a driver that always blames the team after 10 years being with them and achieving nothing
he made the same mistake as Stroll

Leclerc complains if he has an actual problem.

Always blames the team? WTF is wrong with you? He almost always tries to diminish the many failings of the team and even blames himself when he shouldn't.

[cplchanb]

he made the same mistake as Stroll

Engine push, broken surface, whatever contributed to Stroll's accident his brakes were still able to lock the wheels, as shown by the skid-marks he left on the track.
Leclerc's brakes clearly failed and didn't stop his wheels from rotating. If you couldn't see the difference then there's no point discussing it.

It was a sc restart. Brakes were cold and its not like a normal track where you have space and speed to heat them. But it all started by him running over the patch of track that was falling apart and he skated over like marbles

[dans79]

ok you just said a whole bunch of nothing. That doesn't tell anyone how they are determining who is first second 3rd

In other words they measure the brake horsepower and an estimate of the indicated horsepower (ie before losses). That's all you can do with the ICE.

so you think they just look at the max power output?

[ChrisM40]

ok you just said a whole bunch of nothing. That doesn't tell anyone how they are determining who is first second 3rd

In other words they measure the brake horsepower and an estimate of the indicated horsepower (ie before losses). That's all you can do with the ICE.

so you think they just look at the max power output?

I have a few sources that tell me that yes, they look at peak power. If you combine multiple factors then % is a meaningless and inappropriate measure. How do you weight for multiple factors into a percentage? You cant, it would just be a score.

[woocasz]

"Brembo introduced a new brake specification in Canada on Leclerc’s car, which coincides with the start of the brake issues Charles has been experiencing since Canada!"

it seems that Charles is the one who testing stuff...

interesting things are coming out

[dans79]

ok you just said a whole bunch of nothing. That doesn't tell anyone how they are determining who is first second 3rd

In other words they measure the brake horsepower and an estimate of the indicated horsepower (ie before losses). That's all you can do with the ICE.

so you think they just look at the max power output?

I have a few sources that tell me that yes, they look at peak power. If you combine multiple factors then % is a meaningless and inappropriate measure. How do you weight for multiple factors into a percentage? You cant, it would just be a score.

peak power is knuckle dragger level thinking though. An engine with a broader power curve but a slightly lower peak will almost always beat a motor with a higher peak (almost always comes with a narrow band).

A better way to do it is pick a minimum and maximum rpm range, and then integrate/calculate the area under the curve. The engine with the most area under the curve is almost always the better one.

You can do the same thing with torque curves.

they could do that across all the engine modes, and then come up with a weighting system that generates a single number. The higher the #, the better the engine is, then you calculate % difference from the engine that is currently the best.

[dans79]

"Brembo introduced a new brake specification in Canada on Leclerc’s car, which coincides with the start of the brake issues Charles has been experiencing since Canada!"

it seems that Charles is the one who testing stuff...

interesting things are coming out

this is from last year but gives actual quotes from people who matter.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what ... to-fix-it/

in short Brembo has been working on new compounds/materials since last year because Lewis companied.

[LM10]

Was Leclerc’s car lifted high up to be recovered in Monaco and do we have pictures?

[Luscion]

The-Race did an article on Charles' potential issues, its a long one but a good read. They also seem to support the reports of Lewis moving to Carbone Industrie as well

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/char ... -going-on/

[ChrisM40]

so you think they just look at the max power output?

I have a few sources that tell me that yes, they look at peak power. If you combine multiple factors then % is a meaningless and inappropriate measure. How do you weight for multiple factors into a percentage? You cant, it would just be a score.

peak power is knuckle dragger level thinking though. An engine with a broader power curve but a slightly lower peak will almost always beat a motor with a higher peak (almost always comes with a narrow band).

A better way to do it is pick a minimum and maximum rpm range, and then integrate/calculate the area under the curve. The engine with the most area under the curve is almost always the better one.

You can do the same thing with torque curves.

they could do that across all the engine modes, and then come up with a weighting system that generates a single number. The higher the #, the better the engine is, then you calculate % difference from the engine that is currently the best.

I dont disagree about the peak power thing, however the teams should also know that, and you might expect them to design accordingly.

[Badger]

I have a few sources that tell me that yes, they look at peak power. If you combine multiple factors then % is a meaningless and inappropriate measure. How do you weight for multiple factors into a percentage? You cant, it would just be a score.

peak power is knuckle dragger level thinking though. An engine with a broader power curve but a slightly lower peak will almost always beat a motor with a higher peak (almost always comes with a narrow band).

A better way to do it is pick a minimum and maximum rpm range, and then integrate/calculate the area under the curve. The engine with the most area under the curve is almost always the better one.

You can do the same thing with torque curves.

they could do that across all the engine modes, and then come up with a weighting system that generates a single number. The higher the #, the better the engine is, then you calculate % difference from the engine that is currently the best.

I dont disagree about the peak power thing, however the teams should also know that, and you might expect them to design accordingly.

As I understand it the testing process is confidential to prevent teams from gaming the system. So it should fall squarely on the FIA to design a test that is representative of on track power performance. Clearly they haven't done that.

[ChrisM40]

peak power is knuckle dragger level thinking though. An engine with a broader power curve but a slightly lower peak will almost always beat a motor with a higher peak (almost always comes with a narrow band).

A better way to do it is pick a minimum and maximum rpm range, and then integrate/calculate the area under the curve. The engine with the most area under the curve is almost always the better one.

You can do the same thing with torque curves.

they could do that across all the engine modes, and then come up with a weighting system that generates a single number. The higher the #, the better the engine is, then you calculate % difference from the engine that is currently the best.

I dont disagree about the peak power thing, however the teams should also know that, and you might expect them to design accordingly.

As I understand it the testing process is confidential to prevent teams from gaming the system. So it should fall squarely on the FIA to design a test that is representative of on track power performance. Clearly they haven't done that.

That's not really what i mean. The teams should know that a peaky engine is not the ideal way to make a hybrid system regardless of any test the FIA might do. RB have simply chosen poorly, which I guess ADUO is there to help fix, but here we are.