2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[diffuser]

What is this, a penalty farce GP?

Some of the teams had lobotomies before Monaco!

And the FIA speed measurement method is garbage..

I don't know how long it's been like that but Juan Pablo Montoya was taking about it as a known thing at Monaco. Juan Pablo Montoya last raced in Formula 1 in 2006. Like I said "lobotomies".

[V10FURY]

I am happy for Alonso that he got a point in the race, but a bit gutted for Perez and Cadillac after the penalty dropped him out of 10th place. As for this ADOU issue, I think Toto and Mercedes have played a giant sandbag game, and have pulled one over the FIA. There is no way that Mercedes engine is behind anyone, and deserving of any tokens to upgrade it. They have detuned the engines for sure since the new compression ratio test was announced by the FIA. Now they can upgrade the engines even further to walk this championship. Ridiculous.

Honda is way behind the other teams ,which means they will get the maximum upgrades available. Hopefully this means that for 2027 Aston Martin can move forward and get into the points regularly, and then push for 2028 to get in the mix with the top 4 teams. I think Alonso probably bails at the end of this season, and Aston Martin replaces him with either Jak Crawford or Yuki Tsunoda.

[Rasoose]

in a completely unrelated story, my 3 month old honda hornet sp motorcycle is being recalled to replace the motor that burns 2 liters of oil every 500 miles under regular usage. theres irony in there somewhere

I know you're joking, but on a serious note I would highly recommend buying a motorcycle. It's genuinely hard to be unhappy when you ride one regularly.

People with a sense of happiness and/or fulfillment in their personal lives usually don't spend their time bad-mouthing or making fun of Formula 1 engineers.

Also it was pointed out to me that I shouldn't have specifically called you out with my 'egg on your face' statement. I apologize for that, it was meant in a more general way in reference to many different people, not you specifically, but that's not how it came across.

Aston and Honda's engineers are all working very hard to improve, and as an Alonso and Honda fan (I'm sure we have at least the Alonso bit in common) here's hoping we continue to see improvement as the season progresses.

[Rasoose]

I think some of the issues they're talking about as gearbox problems are actually Honda drivability issues. The accident Stroll had yesterday, where he kept getting drive while on the brakes—a problem Alonso has also talked about—is likely a software glitch.

When the MGU-K is used for rear braking, it has to keep reducing the car's speed at a constant rate, as demanded by the brake pedal. Downshifting causes the amount of braking torque to increase, so the MGU-K has to compensate for that while remaining completely transparent to the driver. It also has to behave differently when the battery is full, since it can no longer recover energy in the same way.

That's a good point, we've heard several drivers complaining of the PU 'pushing' when under braking, even previous seasons but especially this year. I think it was during pre-season that I read some very insightful posts on these forums (probably a PU specific one) about why it's difficult to balance that for the rear braking, and why they run the systems the way they do, rather than simply turning 'extra' regen into heat once the ES is full, etc.

I wish I could quickly find those specific posts as they were a good read. Maybe one of those posters will see this and remember what they posted.

[diffuser]

I think some of the issues they're talking about as gearbox problems are actually Honda drivability issues. The accident Stroll had yesterday, where he kept getting drive while on the brakes—a problem Alonso has also talked about—is likely a software glitch.

When the MGU-K is used for rear braking, it has to keep reducing the car's speed at a constant rate, as demanded by the brake pedal. Downshifting causes the amount of braking torque to increase, so the MGU-K has to compensate for that while remaining completely transparent to the driver. It also has to behave differently when the battery is full, since it can no longer recover energy in the same way.

That's a good point, we've heard several drivers complaining of the PU 'pushing' when under braking, even previous seasons but especially this year. I think it was during pre-season that I read some very insightful posts on these forums (probably a PU specific one) about why it's difficult to balance that for the rear braking, and why they run the systems the way they do, rather than simply turning 'extra' regen into heat once the ES is full, etc.

I wish I could quickly find those specific posts as they were a good read. Maybe one of those posters will see this and remember what they posted.

Many things have changed since last year...I'm sure the amount of regen the MGU-K can create, gearbox/differential ratios, weight of the car, wheelbase, tire width, all make a difference.

[Rasoose]

Tactical masterstroke by Honda, if you're gonna suck, you better suck hard.

Anyway, no-one knows what deficit band they're in, just they are more than 4% off.
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I wish they were given a budget and just allowed to get on with whatever they want. Just maybe with a budget uplift if you're way adrift, but even that is arguable.

Couldn't agree more with the entire post.

Tagging onto the ADUO announcement, while RBPT deserves a ton of praise for the work they did (it always sounded great to me from round 1, but the 2015 Honda also sounded good) I also think Audi did a great job being so close to Ferrari. If you factor in how tall Audi's gearing is (similar to Aston's I believe) when looking at their onboards, I wouldn't be surprised if they were neck and neck in power.

[zoroastar]

in a completely unrelated story, my 3 month old honda hornet sp motorcycle is being recalled to replace the motor that burns 2 liters of oil every 500 miles under regular usage. theres irony in there somewhere

I know you're joking, but on a serious note I would highly recommend buying a motorcycle. It's genuinely hard to be unhappy when you ride one regularly.

People with a sense of happiness and/or fulfillment in their personal lives usually don't spend their time bad-mouthing or making fun of Formula 1 engineers.

Also it was pointed out to me that I shouldn't have specifically called you out with my 'egg on your face' statement. I apologize for that, it was meant in a more general way in reference to many different people, not you specifically, but that's not how it came across.

Aston and Honda's engineers are all working very hard to improve, and as an Alonso and Honda fan (I'm sure we have at least the Alonso bit in common) here's hoping we continue to see improvement as the season progresses.

im not joking haha. i bought a 25 honda cb1000sp hornet. it uses the motor from the 2017 fireblade that was known to burn some oil. but right now theres a recall on it. still waiting to hear what honda wants us to do about our bikes. until they tell me im riding the wheels off it haha. im totally behind honda. i hope eventually theyre gonna get on top of things along with aston, and theyll be a force. hopefully thatll be before alonso retires.
your comment is fine man haha. a lot of people in here were upset the way things started out this season. im over it. theres nothing to do about it anyway. im just looking forward to the day when they start bringing improvements to the car. this forum just gets stupid when its constant shots being thrown about who did what when. it is what it is though

[zoroastar]

What is this, a penalty farce GP?

Some of the teams had lobotomies before Monaco!

And the FIA speed measurement method is garbage..

how are they gonna base it completely off of ICU numbers when it only makes up 50% of the total power to begin with. i dont think theres any doubt that mercedes has the best power unit regardless of what the icu hp numbers are. ADUO is about to get dumped altogether

[mzso]

Some of the teams had lobotomies before Monaco!

And the FIA speed measurement method is garbage..

how are they gonna base it completely off of ICU numbers when it only makes up 50% of the total power to begin with. i dont think theres any doubt that mercedes has the best power unit regardless of what the icu hp numbers are. ADUO is about to get dumped altogether

We were talking about the pitlane speeding.

[diffuser]

And the FIA speed measurement method is garbage..

how are they gonna base it completely off of ICU numbers when it only makes up 50% of the total power to begin with. i dont think theres any doubt that mercedes has the best power unit regardless of what the icu hp numbers are. ADUO is about to get dumped altogether

We were talking about the pitlane speeding.

The truth is, the regs have been like that for decades. Gas has raced there several times. He knew the regs. Tried to get an advantage, miscalculated or forgot. Then got caught.

[mzso]

how are they gonna base it completely off of ICU numbers when it only makes up 50% of the total power to begin with. i dont think theres any doubt that mercedes has the best power unit regardless of what the icu hp numbers are. ADUO is about to get dumped altogether

We were talking about the pitlane speeding.

The truth is, the regs have been like that for decades. Gas has raced there several times. He knew the regs. Tried to get an advantage, miscalculated or forgot. Then got caught.

Nothing to do with the regs. By the regs he wasn't speeding at all, probably none of them were.
The measurement is defective.

[ChrisM40]

how are they gonna base it completely off of ICU numbers when it only makes up 50% of the total power to begin with. i dont think theres any doubt that mercedes has the best power unit regardless of what the icu hp numbers are. ADUO is about to get dumped altogether

We were talking about the pitlane speeding.

The truth is, the regs have been like that for decades. Gas has raced there several times. He knew the regs. Tried to get an advantage, miscalculated or forgot. Then got caught.

If there is a legal shorter route between to points than the route you decide for a measurement then you have a very big problem. If this was on the public road and someone proved it convictions would be thrown out.

[SSJ4]

hoping they manage to get the big package for hungary. so they can have some data to work from during the summer break.

[diffuser]

We were talking about the pitlane speeding.

The truth is, the regs have been like that for decades. Gas has raced there several times. He knew the regs. Tried to get an advantage, miscalculated or forgot. Then got caught.

Nothing to do with the regs. By the regs he wasn't speeding at all, probably none of them were.
The measurement is defective.

Why didn't Gasly get a penalty for speeding in the pitlane over the previous 8 years he's raced at Monaco? The rule didn't change, the way they measure it didn't change...His approach this year did change though. Between FPs, Qualifying and the race, he must use the pitlane limiter 20 times a year @ Monaco.....If a guy has done something 20 times a year for 8 years and never gotten it wrong now gets it wrong only during the race twice ...something he's doing changed.

You can say what you want about how it's measured but he knew the rule going in and has known it for now 9 years! He better learn it cause it will be the same next year.

[FNTC]

Wrong topic, but they made the pit entry wider, so some people cut it alot to try to save a little time, and got caught. They all knew how it is measured, or should know.