2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by Vasconia » Thu May 04, 2017 9:55 am

f1316 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 10:09 am
They would probably replace Palmer with Sirotkin if they do it mid-season - although to me that's also pretty boring and I wouldn't expect him to be close to Nico's pace.

But I think Alonso for next year is plausible. I suspect Renault will end the season as clear 4th fastest and if their pace remains close to RB it speaks of good potential. Fernando probably will have a straight choice between Mclaren and Renault, so it will likely depend on whether Mclaren make progress and /or he enjoys Indy and thinks they'll give him other options of this type going forward (e.g. le mans).
Alonso will not return to Renault. He has only two chances, McLaren or to retire.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by marmer » Thu May 04, 2017 10:53 am

Why would he not go back he went back to McLaren

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by f1316 » Thu May 04, 2017 11:02 am

Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 9:55 am
f1316 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 10:09 am
They would probably replace Palmer with Sirotkin if they do it mid-season - although to me that's also pretty boring and I wouldn't expect him to be close to Nico's pace.

But I think Alonso for next year is plausible. I suspect Renault will end the season as clear 4th fastest and if their pace remains close to RB it speaks of good potential. Fernando probably will have a straight choice between Mclaren and Renault, so it will likely depend on whether Mclaren make progress and /or he enjoys Indy and thinks they'll give him other options of this type going forward (e.g. le mans).
Alonso will not return to Renault. He has only two chances, McLaren or to retire.
And you know this for sure because...?

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by Vasconia » Thu May 04, 2017 2:36 pm

f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 11:02 am
Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 9:55 am
f1316 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 10:09 am
They would probably replace Palmer with Sirotkin if they do it mid-season - although to me that's also pretty boring and I wouldn't expect him to be close to Nico's pace.

But I think Alonso for next year is plausible. I suspect Renault will end the season as clear 4th fastest and if their pace remains close to RB it speaks of good potential. Fernando probably will have a straight choice between Mclaren and Renault, so it will likely depend on whether Mclaren make progress and /or he enjoys Indy and thinks they'll give him other options of this type going forward (e.g. le mans).
Alonso will not return to Renault. He has only two chances, McLaren or to retire.
And you know this for sure because...?
Well, I haven´t said its "for sure" but Renault has said that Alonso, even being one of the best, is not a target for the team.

There is no place for him in Red bull, Ferrari or Mercedes. I dont think he wants to go to Williams, so.... which are the real chances for him??

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by f1316 » Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm

Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 2:36 pm
f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 11:02 am
Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 9:55 am


Alonso will not return to Renault. He has only two chances, McLaren or to retire.
And you know this for sure because...?
Well, I haven´t said its "for sure" but Renault has said that Alonso, even being one of the best, is not a target for the team.

There is no place for him in Red bull, Ferrari or Mercedes. I dont think he wants to go to Williams, so.... which are the real chances for him??
Ok, just that you sounded quite definitive.

I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available - suggest they're just not chasing him as a 'target' - but I guess it depends on whether he wants to put up with McLaren any longer.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by marvin78 » Sun May 07, 2017 9:00 am

f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm
I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available.
If you can't give him a race winnig car, Alonso is rather useless. If you don't believe the "magician" Bullshit and think of a very good driver but not god, there is no reason to be surprised.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by f1316 » Sun May 07, 2017 10:10 am

marvin78 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 9:00 am
f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm
I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available.
If you can't give him a race winnig car, Alonso is rather useless. If you don't believe the "magician" Bullshit and think of a very good driver but not god, there is no reason to be surprised.
Ok. I don't agree - I think he's the best driver on the grid for maximising his position regardless of the quality of the car; some of his points paying positions last year were well in excess of what Button - a world champion - could manage all year, and Alonso did it multiple times, which made a big difference to the final constructors position.

So I think there's a massive gain for a team like Renault to have a driver like that, even if next year they're looking at maximum podiums rather than race wins. But anyway, we can agree to disagree.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by wesley123 » Sun May 07, 2017 10:34 am

f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm
Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 2:36 pm
f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 11:02 am


And you know this for sure because...?
Well, I haven´t said its "for sure" but Renault has said that Alonso, even being one of the best, is not a target for the team.

There is no place for him in Red bull, Ferrari or Mercedes. I dont think he wants to go to Williams, so.... which are the real chances for him??
Ok, just that you sounded quite definitive.

I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available - suggest they're just not chasing him as a 'target' - but I guess it depends on whether he wants to put up with McLaren any longer.
Alonso is a great driver, but why would you, as a new team that is still rebuilding, go for a driver who is on his last legs of his F1 career? You'd be better off signing a youngster like Renault did in 2002 with Alonso.
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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by f1316 » Sun May 07, 2017 12:22 pm

wesley123 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 10:34 am
f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm
Vasconia wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 2:36 pm


Well, I haven´t said its "for sure" but Renault has said that Alonso, even being one of the best, is not a target for the team.

There is no place for him in Red bull, Ferrari or Mercedes. I dont think he wants to go to Williams, so.... which are the real chances for him??
Ok, just that you sounded quite definitive.

I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available - suggest they're just not chasing him as a 'target' - but I guess it depends on whether he wants to put up with McLaren any longer.
Alonso is a great driver, but why would you, as a new team that is still rebuilding, go for a driver who is on his last legs of his F1 career? You'd be better off signing a youngster like Renault did in 2002 with Alonso.
I'd suggest there's a lot of value in experience during a building phase and that the kind of input an Alonso could bring would be very valuable - I think some (e.g. Brawn) would argue that Schumacher's input was very useful during Mercedes' gradual improvement pre hybrid, and helped to set the foundation for future success.

It might still be too slow for Alonso - and he might prefer the prospect of competing in Indy and Le Mans every year with McLaren whilst still helping build that F1 project, rather than move up a bit with Renault but still not win championships, also losing those outside opportunities he'd have at McLaren (it seems) - but I can't see how it would be anything but a benefit for Renault.

I also think Hulk could probably learn a lot from Fernando about maximising opportunities - I'm a big Hulk fan but he seems to have difficulty turning his pace into top results, whereas Alonso is almost the opposite - he seems to have a way with getting results even when the pace ain't great.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by SR71 » Mon May 08, 2017 7:12 am

f1316 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 12:22 pm
wesley123 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 10:34 am
f1316 wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm


Ok, just that you sounded quite definitive.

I'd personally be surprised if they didn't go for him if he was available - suggest they're just not chasing him as a 'target' - but I guess it depends on whether he wants to put up with McLaren any longer.
Alonso is a great driver, but why would you, as a new team that is still rebuilding, go for a driver who is on his last legs of his F1 career? You'd be better off signing a youngster like Renault did in 2002 with Alonso.
I'd suggest there's a lot of value in experience during a building phase and that the kind of input an Alonso could bring would be very valuable - I think some (e.g. Brawn) would argue that Schumacher's input was very useful during Mercedes' gradual improvement pre hybrid, and helped to set the foundation for future success.

It might still be too slow for Alonso - and he might prefer the prospect of competing in Indy and Le Mans every year with McLaren whilst still helping build that F1 project, rather than move up a bit with Renault but still not win championships, also losing those outside opportunities he'd have at McLaren (it seems) - but I can't see how it would be anything but a benefit for Renault.

I also think Hulk could probably learn a lot from Fernando about maximising opportunities - I'm a big Hulk fan but he seems to have difficulty turning his pace into top results, whereas Alonso is almost the opposite - he seems to have a way with getting results even when the pace ain't great.

If you want input during a building phase you want someone like Kimi. Just look at Ferrari.

If you want someone to drive around the problems you or you're PU supplier lack ability to fix, you want Alonso.

Is renault really trying to drive around problems without actually fixing them?

If so yes, hire Fred. Although your problems won't go away due to lack of feedback.

But you'll score points.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by f1316 » Mon May 08, 2017 9:00 am

SR71 wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 7:12 am
f1316 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 12:22 pm
wesley123 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 10:34 am


Alonso is a great driver, but why would you, as a new team that is still rebuilding, go for a driver who is on his last legs of his F1 career? You'd be better off signing a youngster like Renault did in 2002 with Alonso.
I'd suggest there's a lot of value in experience during a building phase and that the kind of input an Alonso could bring would be very valuable - I think some (e.g. Brawn) would argue that Schumacher's input was very useful during Mercedes' gradual improvement pre hybrid, and helped to set the foundation for future success.

It might still be too slow for Alonso - and he might prefer the prospect of competing in Indy and Le Mans every year with McLaren whilst still helping build that F1 project, rather than move up a bit with Renault but still not win championships, also losing those outside opportunities he'd have at McLaren (it seems) - but I can't see how it would be anything but a benefit for Renault.

I also think Hulk could probably learn a lot from Fernando about maximising opportunities - I'm a big Hulk fan but he seems to have difficulty turning his pace into top results, whereas Alonso is almost the opposite - he seems to have a way with getting results even when the pace ain't great.

If you want input during a building phase you want someone like Kimi. Just look at Ferrari.

If you want someone to drive around the problems you or you're PU supplier lack ability to fix, you want Alonso.

Is renault really trying to drive around problems without actually fixing them?

If so yes, hire Fred. Although your problems won't go away due to lack of feedback.

But you'll score points.
I know what you're saying - and I often speculated whether this was a problem with Alonso at Ferrari - but I don't know if there's any proof that Alonso doesn't give/gives bad feedback. Would be genuinely interested to know if you have some - even if anecdotal.

I suspect you're right that he's no Schumacher in that department (is Kimi really good with feedback though? Or is he just so tied to one particular driving style that he doesn't stop banging on about the front end?), but then I don't have a great deal to base that on barring just general impressions.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by ME4ME » Mon May 08, 2017 9:19 am

I think there are two prime candidates for 2018: Sainz and Perez.

They are reasonably young, they are talented, experienced and highly motivated and relativly cheap. Renault do not need an old, expensive and potentially bad tempered driver.

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by marmer » Fri May 12, 2017 5:59 am

Renault did a good job in pre season on pure pace assuming they have the same spec engine as toro rosso

AUS
8 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:25.542 1:24.997 1:24.487 16
9 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:25.970 1:24.864 1:24.512 16
12 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:24.975 1:25.091 12

CHINA
7 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:34.453 1:33.636 1:33.580 16
9 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:34.440 1:34.034 1:33.719 17
11 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:34.567 1:34.150 11

BAH
7 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:31.057 1:30.169 1:29.842 15
10 30 Jolyon Palmer RENAULT 1:31.458 1:30.899 1:31.074 15
11 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:31.531 1:30.923 12
16 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:32.118 5

RUSSIA
8 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:35.507 1:35.328 1:35.285 21
11 55 Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO 1:35.827 1:35.948 18
13 26 Daniil Kvyat TORO ROSSO 1:35.984 1:35.968 18

quite interesting to see that apart from AUS Renault have been the quicker team in qualification despite how the toro ross looks at lauch they are certainly not limited by there engine as Renault and Rebull are faster. over the season Renault might pull away from Torro Rosso and more towards Redbull specifically if palmer pulls his finger out

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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by FrukostScones » Fri May 19, 2017 10:57 am

Renault commited to helping Palmer improve.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... er-improve
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Re: 2017 Renault Sport F1 Team - Renault

Post by GoranF1 » Fri May 19, 2017 11:44 am

f1316 wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 9:00 am
SR71 wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 7:12 am
f1316 wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 12:22 pm


I'd suggest there's a lot of value in experience during a building phase and that the kind of input an Alonso could bring would be very valuable - I think some (e.g. Brawn) would argue that Schumacher's input was very useful during Mercedes' gradual improvement pre hybrid, and helped to set the foundation for future success.

It might still be too slow for Alonso - and he might prefer the prospect of competing in Indy and Le Mans every year with McLaren whilst still helping build that F1 project, rather than move up a bit with Renault but still not win championships, also losing those outside opportunities he'd have at McLaren (it seems) - but I can't see how it would be anything but a benefit for Renault.

I also think Hulk could probably learn a lot from Fernando about maximising opportunities - I'm a big Hulk fan but he seems to have difficulty turning his pace into top results, whereas Alonso is almost the opposite - he seems to have a way with getting results even when the pace ain't great.

If you want input during a building phase you want someone like Kimi. Just look at Ferrari.

If you want someone to drive around the problems you or you're PU supplier lack ability to fix, you want Alonso.

Is renault really trying to drive around problems without actually fixing them?

If so yes, hire Fred. Although your problems won't go away due to lack of feedback.

But you'll score points.
I know what you're saying - and I often speculated whether this was a problem with Alonso at Ferrari - but I don't know if there's any proof that Alonso doesn't give/gives bad feedback. Would be genuinely interested to know if you have some - even if anecdotal.

I suspect you're right that he's no Schumacher in that department (is Kimi really good with feedback though? Or is he just so tied to one particular driving style that he doesn't stop banging on about the front end?), but then I don't have a great deal to base that on barring just general impressions.
Mclaren and Renault have similar potential for 2018 in terms of PU prospect,budget prospect but Mclaren has a lot better aero and chassis potential(human resources)....Alonso better off staying in Mclaren, during Lotus days soooo many good aero people have left Enstone.
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