2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Schuttelberg » Fri May 19, 2017 10:34 am

Gothrek wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:21 am
AnthonyG wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:15 am
Raikkonen will get pole and the racewin.
Isn't Monaco one of Raikkonen worst races?

Nice post from Fulcrum on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26386#p697315
I also feel this is not a Ferrari track! #-o
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by FrukostScones » Fri May 19, 2017 10:46 am

Schuttelberg wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:34 am
Gothrek wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:21 am
AnthonyG wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:15 am
Raikkonen will get pole and the racewin.
Isn't Monaco one of Raikkonen worst races?

Nice post from Fulcrum on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26386#p697315
I also feel this is not a Ferrari track! #-o
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Unc1eM0nty » Fri May 19, 2017 1:10 pm

I just can't get excited about this race, all the glitz and glamour cannot make up for the 78 lap procession we are about to witness.

I wouldn't be bothered if this race and a couple of the other bore fests were wiped from the race calendar.

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by WaikeCU » Fri May 19, 2017 2:35 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 2:11 pm
As a neutral fan, I'd personally love a rainy Monaco, with a mayhem of (none-injuring) crashes and a random driver claiming victory after a heroic race.
Must be Hulkenberg surely! =D>

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Jolle » Fri May 19, 2017 8:37 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 9:06 pm
Monaco is a paradox, it's incredibly bumpy, but having been there once or twice the roads are always very well maintained. Also the weather is hugely unpredictable, and it's easier to predict the weather in Silverstone than it is here.
There is a big difference between a very smooth road and a racing circuit. Even the most bumpy cuircuits are smooth compared to a fresh tarmac road.

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by zac510 » Sat May 20, 2017 5:36 am

Gothrek wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:21 am
AnthonyG wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:15 am
Raikkonen will get pole and the racewin.
Isn't Monaco one of Raikkonen worst races?

Nice post from Fulcrum on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26386#p697315
You could tell me that is Raikkonen's recent record from any race circuit and I'd believe you.

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Racer X » Sun May 21, 2017 5:41 am

Pérez will be fun to see as well as Ocon.
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Fulcrum » Sun May 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Looks like rain is a slim possibility at this juncture.

This being the case, what is the relative performance of a new Supersoft to a used Ultrasoft? Undercutting hasn't proved definitively beneficial so far this year, and Monaco typically rewards those who stop later.

All pointing toward pitting as late as you dare, pitting to avoid traffic, pitting into a massive window of free air, pitting during a VSC/Safety Car, or some combination thereof.

All I hope for are several cars in reasonably close proximity, likely to be Vettel, Hamilton, Bottas, possibly Verstappen, Ricciardo and Raikkonen. That introduces the lottery effect, otherwise it will largely be processional. Fun to watch in spite of this though.

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sun May 21, 2017 6:29 pm

Warming the tyres is the biggest consideration to jump your rivals.
Have slow tyre warm up?? Pit pater! If you pit late you will be stuck warming tyres when your rival is ripping up the streets on a fresh set. But guess what... He will get stuck behind you! That's right. If the tyre warm up period is X-laps... Pit AFTER your rival no more than X laps.

If tyre warm up is quick pit as soon as you can but never before the saftey car window. It is Monaco after all.
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by iotar__ » Sun May 21, 2017 7:10 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun May 21, 2017 6:29 pm
Warming the tyres is the biggest consideration to jump your rivals.
Have slow tyre warm up?? Pit pater! If you pit late you will be stuck warming tyres when your rival is ripping up the streets on a fresh set. But guess what... He will get stuck behind you! That's right. If the tyre warm up period is X-laps... Pit AFTER your rival no more than X laps.

If tyre warm up is quick pit as soon as you can but never before the saftey car window. It is Monaco after all.
Why would you bother with strategy consideration in Monaco? Forget about undercuts, pace, warming up or whatever, only SC and traffic matters. Pitstops too especially those that last 10 s =P~ .
"What is the relative performance of a new Supersoft to a used Ultrasoft? Undercutting hasn't proved definitively beneficial so far this year, and Monaco typically rewards those who stop later."
It doesn't matter, not in in the slightest. IMO US will be quicker, so pitting later should be better but since it's about track position and everyone stops once, see above: traffic and SC.

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by Fifty » Mon May 22, 2017 3:50 am

I think this race would be awesome if there were no front or rear wings...
Just mechanical grip, lots of slipping and sliding... bumping...

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by WaikeCU » Mon May 22, 2017 11:58 am

I have the feeling Merc will be using Bottas as a dummy, just like Kimi will be for Ferrari, just to test out how things pan out when they switch tires during the race. So they know when they should pit for Lewis and Seb without compromising track position.
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by dren » Mon May 22, 2017 2:43 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 9:51 pm
With wider cars, it's gonna be a bin-fest!

List of drivers who will crash..
Verstappen
Vettel - taken out by car #7 who gets bumped by Mad max first corner Two Mercs scamper off from front row.
Raikkonen
Stroll - crashes into one of Sauber round the back
Massa
Palmer
Grosjean
Ericsson
Ocon
Kyvat

At this point on the track will be so clear that these survivors will enjoy a leisurely procession to the end of the race:

Hamilton
Bottas
Button (gets on the podium - who knew the McLaren Chassis and tyre management was better than the Red-Bull?)
Ricciardo
Vandoorne
Perez
Sainz
Hulkenburg
Wehrlein
Magnussen
This post made me smile for numerous reasons. I like the crash list and a Button podium!
Honda!

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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by PlatinumZealot » Mon May 22, 2017 3:25 pm

WaikeCU wrote:
Mon May 22, 2017 11:58 am
I have the feeling Merc will be using Bottas as a dummy, just like Kimi will be for Ferrari, just to test out how things pan out when they switch tires during the race. So they know when they should pit for Lewis and Seb without compromising track position.
Why do you get that feeling? My feeling is that Mercedes don't want Hamilton to feel he is number 1. That is the last thing this new Mercedes Administration wants because Hamilton would be too influential in the team. See the Nico Vs Hamilton era.
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Re: 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

Post by dans79 » Mon May 22, 2017 4:05 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Mon May 22, 2017 3:25 pm
Why do you get that feeling? My feeling is that Mercedes don't want Hamilton to feel he is number 1. That is the last thing this new Mercedes Administration wants because Hamilton would be too influential in the team.
The administration is going to have to swallow their pride if they want to claim the WCC & WDC again this year.