Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Post by godlameroso » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:39 pm

Has anyone seen the video where the guy shows the electronics side? Sensors, modules, connectors etc?
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Post by Juzh » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:19 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:39 pm
Has anyone seen the video where the guy shows the electronics side? Sensors, modules, connectors etc?
Thin one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SDUy-b3uTA

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Post by bill shoe » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:41 am

this was redundant post about new video. Anyway, it's good video.

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Post by MrPotatoHead » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:48 am

bill shoe wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:41 am
this was redundant post about new video. Anyway, it's good video.
Good videos for sure.
I think it gives the average guy an idea about how much the F1 teams do farm out some things that might surprise them.

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Post by ringo » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:01 am

Oil Burning...
What is the mechanism for this?
Is the oil being injected into the air intake, how does it get into the combustion chamber to effectively burn literes of it per race?
Hard to beleive the teams loosen up tolerances with the pistons to let the oil get in the chamber.
I feel it may be coming through a port in the turbo compressor housing, fed from the turbo's bearings.

What other options do the engine maker have to introduce oil into the combustion?
fuel pump siphon connected to the oil tank?
Oil, air separator in the tank plumbed back into the intake?
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Post by wuzak » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:04 am

ringo wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:01 am
Oil Burning...
What is the mechanism for this?
Is the oil being injected into the air intake, how does it get into the combustion chamber to effectively burn literes of it per race?
Hard to beleive the teams loosen up tolerances with the pistons to let the oil get in the chamber.
I feel it may be coming through a port in the turbo compressor housing, fed from the turbo's bearings.

What other options do the engine maker have to introduce oil into the combustion?
fuel pump siphon connected to the oil tank?
Oil, air separator in the tank plumbed back into the intake?
EGR and crankcase breathers?

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Post by NL_Fer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:10 pm

I have a suggestion for 2018 where only 3 units are allowed. FIA needs to determine the performance of the PU and the fastest will get an engine freeze. The second round, the then fastest will get a freeze or if the already frozen PU is still fastest the second fastest will be frozen.

Than for the 3rd PU a showdown between the slowest 2 manufacturers.

So the fastest in the first round will have 3 identical PU's the whole season. The one frozen in the second round will have the second and third PU identical. The slowest two will have 3 different specs.

And also they need to compare the 100-150 GPS acceleration to determine the PU power.

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Post by hurril » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:16 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:10 pm
I have a suggestion for 2018 where only 3 units are allowed. FIA needs to determine the performance of the PU and the fastest will get an engine freeze. The second round, the then fastest will get a freeze or if the already frozen PU is still fastest the second fastest will be frozen.

Than for the 3rd PU a showdown between the slowest 2 manufacturers.

So the fastest in the first round will have 3 identical PU's the whole season. The one frozen in the second round will have the second and third PU identical. The slowest two will have 3 different specs.

And also they need to compare the 100-150 GPS acceleration to determine the PU power.
Which is the problem that this aims to solve?

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Post by NL_Fer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:03 pm

The strongest engine is frozen, cannot develop and the other catch up.

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Post by Brian Coat » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:39 am

"And also they need to compare the 100-150 GPS acceleration to determine the PU power."

Yes, or I wonder if there is a simpler and more accurate way ...

If FIA wants to know true in-car power, could they mandate fitment of torque sensor (eg NCTe)?

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Post by hurril » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:10 am

NL_Fer wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:03 pm
The strongest engine is frozen, cannot develop and the other catch up.
Why? Then what is the point of having more than one engine manufacturer? If one is better than the rest then they deserve to win!

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Post by NL_Fer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:56 pm

I prefer the best driver/team to win. And winning the engine freeze can be marketed i guess.

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Post by Ennis » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:10 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:56 pm
I prefer the best driver/team to win. And winning the engine freeze can be marketed i guess.
Define "team", as surely the engine is part of the team performance :)

This is what has surprised me about the current complaints of Merc's engine in general, people often speak about it as if its somehow wrong that they should have an engine advantage - but its ok for someone to have an aero advantage? It's all part of the package, and Merc over the last few years have created the best package.

That 2nd part isn't aimed at you specifically btw, more a comment in general that there seems to be a snootiness that winning based on building a better engine is somehow wrong.

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Re: Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

Post by Holm86 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:17 pm