Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

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Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by Manoah2u » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:50 pm

Apart from not having a front wing, i think this is very interesting as there is little doubt F1 will head towards aeroscreens/canopies either way sooner or later as an upgrade from the HALO.

I like Jeroen Claus' design here on the board too, which are essentially F1's current cars with a wider cockpit and a aeroscreen mounted and implemented instead of 'slapped on'.

apart from that, this is a very interesting desing route too, and has been worked out in detail. The engine proposal won't happen, but we don't need to as the 2021 + V6TT KERS system will deliver 1000+ HP probably 1200+ HP either way.

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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by PlatinumZealot » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:36 pm

Nice design and great rendering. The car itself looks boring though.
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Post by ESPImperium » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:30 pm

The car looks like a muscular Formula Ford with enhancements from a good plastic surgeon.

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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by adrianjordan » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:25 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:36 pm
Nice design and great rendering. The car itself looks boring though.
So do the 2009 cars now!!

It's a start at least...
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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by Manoah2u » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:29 am

It's a good solid base to do something with. It's designed originally as an indy proposal, hence the different 'angle' - more minimalistic. Frankly, 'just' add modern wings front and back and improve on the sidepod design and you're on a very interesting route i'd say.
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Post by NathanOlder » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:25 pm

Interesting idea,
I'd like to see how this car (and the halo for that matter) is easy to ger out of when its up side down in a gravel trap. Remembering that some of those gravel traps can be pretty deep.
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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by Manoah2u » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:06 pm

NathanOlder wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:25 pm
Interesting idea,
I'd like to see how this car (and the halo for that matter) is easy to ger out of when its up side down in a gravel trap. Remembering that some of those gravel traps can be pretty deep.
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all that needs to happen is to add a rollbar on top of what is now the upper part and i'm sure the possible 'gravel trap' issue is accounted for.
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Post by marmer » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:57 am

that design might be better for formula e. unless there as some massive hidden vents and air intakes a race car engine needs more air than that little gap at the top

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Post by Manoah2u » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:18 am

marmer wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:57 am
that design might be better for formula e. unless there as some massive hidden vents and air intakes a race car engine needs more air than that little gap at the top
perhaps you should look a little better.
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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by marmer » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:33 am

Manoah2u wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:18 am
marmer wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:57 am
that design might be better for formula e. unless there as some massive hidden vents and air intakes a race car engine needs more air than that little gap at the top
perhaps you should look a little better.
the front side pods are fine i was more meaning the air box and the lack of vents to the rear

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Post by FrukostScones » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:07 pm

He should add a basic frontwing left and right with basic endplates, a high and big air intake/rollhoop, and a basic rear wing with big endplates and it would be the F1 car of the future. Without wings this looks abit too much Formula Ford of the future.
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Post by Just_a_fan » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:41 am

The whole thing is just pretty pictures. It's entirely a graphic design exercise with little, if any, technical thought. The "tunnels" aren't tunnels and would generate little downforce. The balance would be entirely rear biased too, although the so-called rear wing is just a glorified engine cover so probably would be pointless.

Piff and dribble. That's all it is. Shame so many in here buy into the pretty art work.
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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by jjn9128 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:41 am
The whole thing is just pretty pictures. It's entirely a graphic design exercise with little, if any, technical thought. The "tunnels" aren't tunnels and would generate little downforce. The balance would be entirely rear biased too, although the so-called rear wing is just a glorified engine cover so probably would be pointless.

Piff and dribble. That's all it is. Shame so many in here buy into the pretty art work.
You're right. Among other things you can't legislate for aesthetics, that's why this year we have shark fins (personally I don't mind) and T-wings. He suggests it as a car to enable nose-to-tail racing, but has massive wheels on the car which are the biggest source of downforce loss for the following vehicle. The chassis might work for a spec formula where low drag is necessary because power is an issue, so I could see something similar to this for the next Formula E car, but with the all weather tyres and wheel covers.

If he suggested it as an oval configuration a rearward aero-balance is desirable for stability, reducing front load from ~45% to ~30-35% from road to speedway would be typical.

He may only be a graphic designer and he is (at least in part) responsible for the updated aesthetics of the Indycar for 2018 (sans screen/shield) which looks okay if compromised aerodynamically. They're using the same tub as the DW12, which I always felt looks a bit tubby, and have reduced the total downforce substantially (-35% IIRC) from an already fairly low benchmark in top-flight open-wheeled terms, 2018 Indycar will have less downforce than F2 and Super Formula.

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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by Manoah2u » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:41 am
The whole thing is just pretty pictures. It's entirely a graphic design exercise with little, if any, technical thought. The "tunnels" aren't tunnels and would generate little downforce. The balance would be entirely rear biased too, although the so-called rear wing is just a glorified engine cover so probably would be pointless.

Piff and dribble. That's all it is. Shame so many in here buy into the pretty art work.
you're completely missing the point. it's a design excersize but it's main point is the closed cockpit desing which is quite frankly really done well, with all the tools to extract a driver, keep him safe, how to get out, etc.

all other stuff is non-important and just there for visuals. the technical thought was put into the capsule, that's where the attention lies. that's where it is for, not for a non-winged racecar. the idea is about the capsule, to protect the driver according to stricter safety demands by the FIA.
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Re: Chris Beatty Veloctiy RPB-01 car proposal.

Post by Just_a_fan » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:29 pm

Except it doesn't protect the driver because there is no space between driver's head and the structure. Any impact will result in large acceleration being transmitted to the driver's head and thus brain. In a Bianchi style crash, this structure will mean the impact is just as fatal as his was.

Providing space for the driver's head is one of the issues that has been raised time and time again on this forum when these schemes are discussed. Yet again it has been ignored in favour of things that look cool.
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