Honda Power Unit

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by wuzak » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:55 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:25 pm
I expect closer 2018. If Honda can improve as planned and if they can catch Renault before the end of this season as Hasegawa san had said,, I am sure RB will start trying to find way of switching Honda in season. It's exciting situation now. but we have to wait to see what Honda will do. I believe they'll be good.
That is exactly the problem.

Honda have not improved as planned.

Honda were saying they would catch Ferrari by Spa 2016. Not sure they are at the level of Ferrari's 2016 PU now, a year later.

And you can't directly compare with Sauber. Sauber are, essentially, running an upgraded 2015 (2014?) chassis and have had very little, relatively speaking, aero development in those years. And the 2016 Ferrari PU is not designed around the lateral loads the 2017 cars can pull.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by wuzak » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:56 am

I believe one of the main issues in the relationship between McLaren and Honda is that the latter have over-promised and under-delivered and now McLaren don't believe what they say.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by RedNEO » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:10 am

wuzak wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:56 am
I believe one of the main issues in the relationship between McLaren and Honda is that the latter have over-promised and under-delivered and now McLaren don't believe what they say.
And you can't really blame them, the results on track have shown they just simply cannot deliver.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Andres125sx » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:33 am

Did anyone notice this is the Honda PU thread????

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by f1316 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:52 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:22 am
f1316 wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:56 pm
dren wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:33 pm


Yes. The Mclaren box already exists; it's a 'simple' purchase.
Yes, and the converse is also true - McLaren will be using an RB gearbox, at least initially.

Once both teams are fully up and running, they'll swap that around.
Not true. Mclaren can make a new belhousing to fit the renault engine. Where you dont want to go is changing the susepension area. That is asking for trouble. When all the engines have the same crank centre line and the same bolt pattern it is easier to change the part of the bell housing where the exhaust pipe comes out than to change to a new gearbox.

Toro rosso on the other hand is in trouble only because they dont make their own gearboxes. And honda foes not have an active formula 1 gearbox program at the moment. For Toro Rosso they have to get RedBull to modify their gearbox to fit the honda engine which for redbull is an annoying order.
Right, but isn't the bottom line there basically: McLaren can happily make Renault gearboxes, just not day 1 (everything I've read is that they use a Red Bull gearbox in 2018); for Red Bull to supply Toro Rosso with Honda-compatible gearboxes is more complex because it means running two parallel specifications across the two teams, but they will do it nonetheless down the line (it actually gives them the benefit of having everything set up to go with the Honda PU in the main car if and when it becomes competitive).

So unless I'm missing something, what I said was actually a correct high-level summary - just missing the detail you've added.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Joseki » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am

Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by etusch » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:39 am

Joseki wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am
Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.
Spec 3.7 was not bad at Monza. In time it could be become a bit better.
For me it makes sense that Honda does not try to make McLaren better. They just concentrate to 2018 with whole power

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by mclaren111 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:41 am

Andres125sx wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:33 am
Did anyone notice this is the Honda PU thread????
AGREE !!!!!

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by ncassi22 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:48 am

Can the mods please clean this thread? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by restless » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:43 am

Joseki wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am
Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.
What?! No spec 4 this year?!
Well, if Mclaren knew about it that really explains it... the last nail

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by nzjrs » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:51 am

restless wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:43 am
Joseki wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am
Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.
What?! No spec 4 this year?!
Well, if Mclaren knew about it that really explains it... the last nail
This little discourse is a nice example of how a hypothetical is repeated as an opinion, then copied into another thread as evidence, and now quoted as proof.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Squid » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:10 pm

I doubt the mods care about this thread anymore. I've been asking for a cleanup for a while. It's just too far gone to bother I guess.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Craigy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:12 pm

Squid wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:10 pm
I doubt the mods care about this thread anymore. I've been asking for a cleanup for a while. It's just too far gone to bother I guess.
There is a report feature (the little exclamation mark to the top right of each post in the browser version of the site). It works.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by ArcticWolfie » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Andres125sx wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:20 pm
Joseki wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am
Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.
I didn´t read that from Wazari as yourself, IMO he said that as a consequence of the split, not the other way around as you´re implying.

If they split, Honda obviously won´t bother to show McLaren how their PU will evolve, they´re rivals from now on
Honda will throw in spec 5 (faster than Renault's PU) @ Yas Marina to smite McLaren.

Long shot though, but would be quite funny to see.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by KingHamilton01 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 pm

ArcticWolfie wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:14 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:20 pm
Joseki wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am
Wazari wrote in the team topic that spec 4 will not hit the track this year, that means two things:

1) I was right about it getting delayed to 2018 like it was for the "Malesian update" last year :-P
2) No real update this year, McLaren-Honda will suck until their very last moment.
I didn´t read that from Wazari as yourself, IMO he said that as a consequence of the split, not the other way around as you´re implying.

If they split, Honda obviously won´t bother to show McLaren how their PU will evolve, they´re rivals from now on
Honda will throw in spec 5 (faster than Renault's PU) @ Yas Marina to smite McLaren.

Long shot though, but would be quite funny to see.
Not a chance, not to mention at the sake of reliability that they haven't managed to sort all season!
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