New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

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New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by godlameroso » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:40 pm

After numerous published ASE papers, and now, the new ZR1 uses both port and direct injection.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/fu ... cs-photos/

"Dual-injection means the LT5 uses primary direct injection as well as supplemental port injection, to get 755 horsepower out of 6.2 liters with the help of that gigantic supercharger."
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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by krisfx » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:28 pm

It's still not an impressive power figure from a supercharged 6.2L engine.. :wtf:

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by Maritimer » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:55 pm

People make more with smaller engines and plain old port injection. Yawn.

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:02 pm

krisfx wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:28 pm
It's still not an impressive power figure from a supercharged 6.2L engine.. :wtf:
Ferrari made almost that from a naturally aspirated 6.3 V12 several years ago.
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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by krisfx » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:58 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:02 pm
krisfx wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:28 pm
It's still not an impressive power figure from a supercharged 6.2L engine.. :wtf:
Ferrari made almost that from a naturally aspirated 6.3 V12 several years ago.
Well, the specific output is about 10hp/l more than an S2000... (at a quick glance)

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by digitalrurouni » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:02 pm

Call me when they get their heat soak issues at a track day sorted out. Had to ditch plans buying a Z06 for that very reason. Now with more output that would mean more heat and that's just meh. Honestly I should have gone for the last run Viper instead. But impatience took the better of me and I went a completely different direction.

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by godlameroso » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:24 pm

Maritimer wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:55 pm
People make more with smaller engines and plain old port injection. Yawn.
Is it as efficient and does it come with a 5 year powertrain warranty? In any case, if it's good enough to go into road cars, maybe I wasn't wrong when suggesting something similar is being used in F1. Maybe that's the big noise about a "dual anchor" injector.

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Imagine doing this, but with one injector...
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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by godlameroso » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:25 pm

digitalrurouni wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:02 pm
Call me when they get their heat soak issues at a track day sorted out. Had to ditch plans buying a Z06 for that very reason. Now with more output that would mean more heat and that's just meh. Honestly I should have gone for the last run Viper instead. But impatience took the better of me and I went a completely different direction.
"Remember the Z06's overheating issues? GM does too.

Not only does the ZR1 have a more-efficient intercooler system with a heat extractor hole in its hood, but it also packs four new radiators, bringing the number of heat-exchangers to 13. A Bugatti Veyron has 10."
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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by bill shoe » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:14 am

If you want to judge an engine then look at size, weight, torque curve (power), responsiveness, etc. Not clear why the internal swept volume of all the cylinders would matter.

If you want to talk down on this engine then you should be saying things like: "Ferrari already made an engine with that much power in a smaller and lighter package". Except you probably can't say that. :o

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by Cold Fussion » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:18 am

What are they actually cooling with those 13 radiators? Do they have parallel circuits for multiple things or something?

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by CBeck113 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm

bill shoe wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:14 am
If you want to judge an engine then look at size, weight, torque curve (power), responsiveness, etc. Not clear why the internal swept volume of all the cylinders would matter.

If you want to talk down on this engine then you should be saying things like: "Ferrari already made an engine with that much power in a smaller and lighter package". Except you probably can't say that. :o
All this while meeting current emissions regulations. I do not understand how people can belittle such engineering by comparing it to a tuned engine: the one-off tuned engine will not do 150k miles under warranty, but will most likely explode within the next 20k (which is expected and accepted by the owner)...the ZR-1 engine, like all others from a manufacturer, is subject to warranty, which smaller companies like Ferrari can "circumvent" by demanding deep engine services (valve play as an example) at a ridiculously early interval which only a supercar owner will accept and pay.
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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by TalnoRacing » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:03 pm

CBeck113 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm
bill shoe wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:14 am
If you want to judge an engine then look at size, weight, torque curve (power), responsiveness, etc. Not clear why the internal swept volume of all the cylinders would matter.

If you want to talk down on this engine then you should be saying things like: "Ferrari already made an engine with that much power in a smaller and lighter package". Except you probably can't say that. :o
All this while meeting current emissions regulations. I do not understand how people can belittle such engineering by comparing it to a tuned engine: the one-off tuned engine will not do 150k miles under warranty, but will most likely explode within the next 20k (which is expected and accepted by the owner)...the ZR-1 engine, like all others from a manufacturer, is subject to warranty, which smaller companies like Ferrari can "circumvent" by demanding deep engine services (valve play as an example) at a ridiculously early interval which only a supercar owner will accept and pay.
Whilst offering a magnificent machine at an "affordable" price

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by DiogoBrand » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:20 pm

krisfx wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:58 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:02 pm
krisfx wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:28 pm
It's still not an impressive power figure from a supercharged 6.2L engine.. :wtf:
Ferrari made almost that from a naturally aspirated 6.3 V12 several years ago.
Well, the specific output is about 10hp/l more than an S2000... (at a quick glance)
It is actually lower than the 2.0 247 hp S2000, and it doesn't even have forced induction.
Has Chevrolet already started using OHC engines on the Corvette?

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by krisfx » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:22 am

CBeck113 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm
bill shoe wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:14 am
If you want to judge an engine then look at size, weight, torque curve (power), responsiveness, etc. Not clear why the internal swept volume of all the cylinders would matter.

If you want to talk down on this engine then you should be saying things like: "Ferrari already made an engine with that much power in a smaller and lighter package". Except you probably can't say that. :o
All this while meeting current emissions regulations. I do not understand how people can belittle such engineering by comparing it to a tuned engine: the one-off tuned engine will not do 150k miles under warranty, but will most likely explode within the next 20k (which is expected and accepted by the owner)...the ZR-1 engine, like all others from a manufacturer, is subject to warranty, which smaller companies like Ferrari can "circumvent" by demanding deep engine services (valve play as an example) at a ridiculously early interval which only a supercar owner will accept and pay.
I compared it against the specific output (arguably a good measure of performance on engines with different sizes) of an F20C engine, which is a standard Honda engine and most are on over 100,000m / 160,000km and still running strong. I don't understand how US car companies need so much displacement and a massive supercharger to get any form of power.

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Re: New ZR1 uses reactivity controlled combustion.

Post by Just_a_fan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:44 am

CBeck113 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm
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All this while meeting current emissions regulations. I do not understand how people can belittle such engineering by comparing it to a tuned engine: the one-off tuned engine will not do 150k miles under warranty, but will most likely explode within the next 20k (which is expected and accepted by the owner)...the ZR-1 engine, like all others from a manufacturer, is subject to warranty, which smaller companies like Ferrari can "circumvent" by demanding deep engine services (valve play as an example) at a ridiculously early interval which only a supercar owner will accept and pay.
No one is referencing one-off tuned engines. Ferrari make high output n/a engines and they will make more than Corvette make ZR-1s. McLaren make similar power to the ZR-1 using turbos rather than a supercharger and with a much smaller engine.

I bet the ZR-1 will sound absolutely fabulous - US V8s are rightly well known for the sound they make. =D>
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