MotoGP 2017

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by GPR-A » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:51 pm

MARC MARQUEZ - 2017 CHAMPION!!!

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Post by J.A.W. » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Yeah, beat you to it!

& too bad for Yamaha, notably - Vinales who started so hot at the start of the season, & Rossi who was up there too,
but both faded, & were shown up by Zarco, on the 2nd string Tech 3 Yamaha..

Ducati too, with Dovi, came on strong.. with the same six wins as M.M., BUT - even with 20 crashes.. M.M. did it!
Sturmbannfuehrer Dr von Braun sez..
"Oberste Prioritat hat es Londoner Terror zu vergelten. Und danach, der Mondflug!"

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by Andres125sx » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:25 pm

Wow, Marquez has mastered those saves from the ground :wtf: :shock:


Just in case the video is removed, here are the pics
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Not the first one, but the first wich is worth a World Title... unbelieveble!! =D> =D>


BTW, what happened to the oficial Yamaha team?
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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by turbof1 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:31 pm

Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:25 pm
Wow, Marquez has mastered those saves from the ground :wtf: :shock:

http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg
http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg
http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg

Not the first one, but the first wich is worth a World Title... unbelieveble!! =D> =D>


BTW, what happened to the oficial Yamaha team?
I saw this as well. That was just incredible. His wheels basically lost contact with the ground, but he was able to control the weight of his bike with his underleg and elbow.

He felt so much that he now mastered the art of saving a crash. Can't say anything more about that.

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by Andres125sx » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:37 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:31 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:25 pm
Wow, Marquez has mastered those saves from the ground :wtf: :shock:

http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg
http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg
http://cdn.motorbikemag.es/wp-content/u ... 00x607.jpg

Not the first one, but the first wich is worth a World Title... unbelieveble!! =D> =D>


BTW, what happened to the oficial Yamaha team?
I saw this as well. That was just incredible. His wheels basically lost contact with the ground, but he was able to control the weight of his bike with his underleg and elbow.

He fell so much that he now mastered the art of saving a crash. Can't say anything more about that.
Corrected that for you :mrgreen:

I think they said he´s crashed 27 times this season :o so yes, he has some practice :lol: but even so there are some riders who crash equally often but didn´t learn to save any. Amazing, specially considering it was the decisive race for the title

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by nacho » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:02 pm

Honda needs to find something for next season, 27 crashes is too much! Even small crashes can result in injuries like finger, collarbone, wrist that can cost the championship.

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by etusch » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:11 pm

nacho wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:02 pm
Honda needs to find something for next season, 27 crashes is too much! Even small crashes can result in injuries like finger, collarbone, wrist that can cost the championship.
They seems solved acceleration problems, they are good at turns too. But front grip and brakes need to improve (MM says they are good but no feeling at front and unexpected behaviors, pedrosa also said whole race long he struggled front grip). If Honda were good at this area too, it would cause very dominant season and it won't be so exiting season. They tested 2018 chassis and engine today's test. I hope they will solve problems at these two area.
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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by nacho » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:40 pm

MotoGP development seems to be unlike F1. Mostly fixing one problem causes another problem, seems they are always chasing something.

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by AMG.Tzan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:34 pm

Zarco's, Dovisiozo's and Marquez's performances this year and Marquez's 2016 campaign just shows how adaptable they are to any bike they are given! That's a really great advantage the best riders have! Rossi, Lorenzo and maybe Vinales on the other hand can't get on top of what they are given if it doesn't suit their style! And i am impressed on why Rossi seems to have such a problem since he was adaptable to any bike given to him in 2000-2010! Remember when he went from Honda to Yamaha! Since he went to Ducati he hasn't seem to adapt to any bike like he did in the old days!

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by Silent Storm » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:36 pm

AMG.Tzan wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:34 pm
Zarco's, Dovisiozo's and Marquez's performances this year and Marquez's 2016 campaign just shows how adaptable they are to any bike they are given! That's a really great advantage the best riders have! Rossi, Lorenzo and maybe Vinales on the other hand can't get on top of what they are given if it doesn't suit their style! And i am impressed on why Rossi seems to have such a problem since he was adaptable to any bike given to him in 2000-2010! Remember when he went from Honda to Yamaha! Since he went to Ducati he hasn't seem to adapt to any bike like he did in the old days!
Rossi was struggling with the front end of his bike and this years Yamaha was eating up it's rear tyres half way in the race, Rossi said if he improved the front end the rear tyre degradation got worse.
There is always a way, and it usually doesn't work.

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by etusch » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:09 pm

Silent Storm wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:36 pm

Rossi was struggling with the front end of his bike and this years Yamaha was eating up it's rear tyres half way in the race, Rossi said if he improved the front end the rear tyre degradation got worse.
Yamaha's straight line speeds are very close to ducati. Sometimes they overtook ducati at straights. And if they can do this acceleration to much rear tyre degradation and shorter chassis, think that how good engine they have .

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Re: MotoGP 2017

Post by etusch » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:28 pm

Valencia MotoGP Test: Marquez: We can gain with '18 engine

Marc Marquez samples three different evolutions of the Honda RC213V at Valencia, will not test at Jerez next week as electronics already in a good place.

Three days on from securing his fourth premier class title, Marquez was tasked with putting three bikes through their paces: the machine with which he ended the season; his ’17 bike with an updated frame; and Honda’s all-new ’18 prototype.

And while he posted his fastest time on this year’s machine, the 24-year old was appeared to be more excited by the potential of the ’18 prototype. Its engine, he said, has more power in the lower and top ends.

What’s more, the electronics settings were already fairly accurate, even at such an early stage. “It’s the first time with such a new engine I feel inside the parametres,” he said, a contrast to when Honda rolled out its new bike at this test at the close of 2015 and '16.

As a result Marquez and Repsol Honda team-mate Dani Pedrosa will not test at Jerez next week. The pair had set some test days aside to develop the ’18 bike further at the Andalusian track – perhaps a sign the pair are already confident with regards to next year’s machine.

“We tried the current bike, the bike I used this year, and then like yesterday, we tried a small modification on that bike that was more on the chassis area,” he said. “And then the new prototype, and the new prototype is completely new, and of course when everything is new we had a small problem. That's normal, the first time on the track.

“But anyway, it was working well, we had some interesting points, of course with the new prototype we still need to understand many, many things, because it was not only the new engine, it was also the chassis area which had many different parts. Now we need to understand well, and especially choose the correct way, the correct decision for the Malaysia test, because it will be the next time that we will ride with the bike.

“Always when you get a new engine they try to give more power to you, and we gained, especially on the bottom, we gained a little bit more power. Also in the top, we gained there. Still they are looking forward to doing more steps. Like always they are trying to improve the performance.

“I'm happy because it's the first time that with such a new engine I feel inside the parametres, you know? Normally every year I was starting here and we were talking one year ago here, saying the electronics are not there, we need to work on the electronics. But now it's inside the parameters in this circuit, but now we need to reconfirm in February.

“The prototype engine yes, we can gain there. But we need to work on the chassis area. The chassis that we had today, there were many, many new parts, and now we need to understand which part was better, which part was worse. But we need to choose, the engine is good, the chassis? Doubts.”


Rossi

The new engine was aimed at providing, "more power without losing the smooth character from the bottom [of the rpm].

"Valencia is not fantastic for testing the engine because it is quite small. But you can understand and we will continue to try it also in Sepang in ten days time."

The fact Rossi chose to evaluate the new engine with the 2016 chassis underlined that, like team-mate Maverick Vinales, the Italian favours that frame at the Spanish circuit.

But Rossi ruled out the new engine solving the rear-tyre degradation issues, which he feels is the main downside of the 2016 chassis.

"No. The engine doesn't help. We need something else."

Yamaha's private Sepang test will now be used to make a final decision on the direction of the 2018 machine; engine and chassis.

"We will have the same chassis [options] at Sepang as here," Rossi said. "It was already the plan, sincerely. Because the last chassis that we used [the 2018 prototype, which debuted at Silverstone] was prepared for the end of this season, but we decided to use it before."

Rossi hopes that the final 2018 Yamaha will then be ready in time for the next official test, to be held at the same Malaysian circuit in late January.

"I hope it will be ready, because for me Yamaha have to do a long job with the balance of the bike."

In other words, the chassis.