what is the source of numbers that you said about mgu-h recovery or how did u estimate them?godlameroso wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:37 pmI wouldn't be surprised if the difference between the power units is and always has been how long they can deploy max power down the straight, that Honda during 2015 was essentially using a power unit with no effective MGU-H, and could only harvest with MGU-K.
2016 allowed some MGU-H recovery, but it was weak compared to the others, probably in the range of 20-30kW, improved to 50kW by the end of the season.
This season, the big change took them back to 2015 levels of MGU-H recovery, and over the season they've improved it to just over 2016 levels, this is what they expected from the start of the season. And if this is what they had at the start, it would have been ok, they'd still be McLaren Honda in 2018, and it's a shame because Honda is now clearing the learning curve. I think a lot of people would be surprised to know that the actual difference between the ICE by itself is only 15-20kW tops. That extra 160kW for 33.3+ seconds per lap depends so much on the MGU-H and not being able to use it to it's full potential kills you.
wuzak wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:13 amAlonso:
"I was very, very close to Felipe a couple of times on the exit of the last corner, but even with the DRS he was pulling away.
"The lack of power is quite worrying for Toro Rosso next year.
"It's still a shame that we have this incredible power deficit and that with all the battery, the DRS and everything they are still quicker on the straight.
"Yesterday I think it was 25 km/h, today when someone uses the DRS it must be 40 or 50, so it's pretty incredible that we finish in front of some cars."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13298 ... -worry-str
Of all the tracks on the calendar, Brazil (and Austria) should be the least troublesome for deployment because of the shortness of the lap. And from that statement it sounds like Alonso was using all the power the Honda could muster, including all the ERS, and he was still getting smoked by a Williams.
Speed Trap figures (as a main Subject of the Post) also don't belong in here. There are however slight exceptions. If for instance someone was able to point out that Vandoorne and Alonso had different types of PU, but otherwise same set up and aerodynamic profiles, than that would be acceptable as we can scrap all significant variables in that case. Just don't Post "Verstappen 322, Vandoorne 310 "
Yes, confused kW with Hp.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:36 pmwouldn't that be 120 kW ?godlameroso wrote:......the difference between the power units is and always has been how long they can deploy max power down the straight.......That extra 160kW for 33.3+ seconds per lap depends so much on the MGU-H and not being able to use it to it's full potential kills you.
(for whatever seconds per lap)