Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by mertol » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:30 am

Mclaren don't do their own engines they could have been the junior team of merc but they prefered to be backmarkers.

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by Manoah2u » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:14 am

adrianjordan wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 am
marmer wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:27 pm
remember a few years ago when the idea of big teams having 2nd teams... didn't everyone hate the idea. now we are here and it seems a good idea.

the grid is basically a big and small team grid these days.

Mercedes palms off drivers to customer teams and takes the best back when a seat is free. while offering discounted engines basically keeping customer teams stuck in a loop of agreeing with them to save millions
Ferrari now have alfa which is basically a 2nd team just without being called Ferrari B
red bull have had Toro Rosso for years and are even going as far as to use them as a test for honda for the season after next as a stop gap for 2021 and the new engine regs
just leaves Renault out really perhaps one day haas, williams or force india will switch engines and fall the way of Sauber
Mclaren need a Jr team too. Maybe they'll end up pairing with Haas or renewing their previous involvement with Force India...
Williams is their junior team.
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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by zeph » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 am

Next up: Marchionne buys a stake in Haas F1 and sticks the Chrysler logo on the cars ;-)

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by marmer » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:35 am

adrianjordan wrote:
marmer wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:27 pm
remember a few years ago when the idea of big teams having 2nd teams... didn't everyone hate the idea. now we are here and it seems a good idea.

the grid is basically a big and small team grid these days.

Mercedes palms off drivers to customer teams and takes the best back when a seat is free. while offering discounted engines basically keeping customer teams stuck in a loop of agreeing with them to save millions
Ferrari now have alfa which is basically a 2nd team just without being called Ferrari B
red bull have had Toro Rosso for years and are even going as far as to use them as a test for honda for the season after next as a stop gap for 2021 and the new engine regs
just leaves Renault out really perhaps one day haas, williams or force india will switch engines and fall the way of Sauber
Mclaren need a Jr team too. Maybe they'll end up pairing with Haas or renewing their previous involvement with Force India...
They nearly had sauber until they tore up the honda engine deal. If this had happened in suspect McLaren might have stayed with honda.
This would have mean Haas could have stayed a Ferrari b team

The Haas approach and internal pride has supprized me and perhaps Ferrari
Yes they came in an where basically a Ferrari customer in almost everything but since that time they have almost distanced themselves from Ferrari. Almost as if they came with the idea that Ferrari are a good place to start let's buy that then build from it they seem to be happy to have two less than pg drivers and even turned down Ferrari drivers (gut) Haas only care about performance for the buck they spend

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by 3jawchuck » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:52 pm

marmer wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:35 am
Haas only care about performance for the buck they spend
Doesn't that make sense from the perspective of their F1 philosophy? Their cars being an advertising board for their flagging (in Europe) machine tool company.

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by Hail22 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:53 pm

zeph wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 am
Next up: Marchionne buys a stake in Haas F1 and sticks the Chrysler logo on the cars ;-)
Or an even larger conspiracy:

"Ferrari to leave Formula 1 at the end of 2020, Alfa Romeo to take its place" :roll: :lol:
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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by enry86 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:20 pm

Sauber revealed the livery for next year "Alfa Romeo" powered car

https://www.sauberf1team.com/photos/alf ... -team-2018

Image

A bit boring, in my opinion :roll:

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by Silent Storm » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:31 pm

It's a concept livery, it will be different next year but will have red and white in it.
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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by void » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:36 pm

I miss Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio put in the cockpit.

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by Vasconia » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:50 am

enry86 wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:20 pm
Sauber revealed the livery for next year "Alfa Romeo" powered car

https://www.sauberf1team.com/photos/alf ... -team-2018

https://www.sauberf1team.com/wp-content ... UTO-10.jpg

A bit boring, in my opinion :roll:
The car needs more red colour!

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:03 am

Not many care about alfa's return as you can tell by the size of the thread. The whole return is mainly a marketing exercise.
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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by J.A.W. » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:59 am

Is the actual priority - the protection of the Ferrari brand as No1?

Hence the call by Chrysler-Fiat to use their 'budget' Alfa-Romeo brand, rather than upmarket Maserati?

& is this why the Viper was dropped, since it trod on Italian toes - 'bang-for-bucks'- performance-wise?
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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by santos » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:17 am

J.A.W. wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:59 am
Is the actual priority - the protection of the Ferrari brand as No1?

Hence the call by Chrysler-Fiat to use their 'budget' Alfa-Romeo brand, rather than upmarket Maserati?

& is this why the Viper was dropped, since it trod on Italian toes - 'bang-for-bucks'- performance-wise?
No, the Viper was dropped because it didn't sell very well, and because of new safety legislation in the U.S. that oblige every car to have side curtains air bags.

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Re: Alfa Romeo returns to F1 in 2018

Post by PlatinumZealot » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:08 pm

J.A.W. wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:59 am
Is the actual priority - the protection of the Ferrari brand as No1?

Hence the call by Chrysler-Fiat to use their 'budget' Alfa-Romeo brand, rather than upmarket Maserati?

& is this why the Viper was dropped, since it trod on Italian toes - 'bang-for-bucks'- performance-wise?
Alfa has more sales potential. It is all about money. Market the product that has more potential. Maseratti offerings are a weak connection to F1. It be a big waste.
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