Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by taperoo2k » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:44 pm

Zynerji wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:26 pm
To break the STR/Honda contract would require Honda approval, unless it is already part of the STR contract. I imagine that if RBR tried to take the status (like they swapped engines for 2008) that Honda would have a say if they wanted to re-sign with RBR after the break. It will need to be handled very delicately, or we might just have Force Honda in 2019!
It depends what's in the contract and to what extent the larger Red Bull group's involvement with Honda is via STR. Anyway I'm glad to see Honda seem to be finally getting on top of their various problems. It'll be an interesting season seeing how Honda fares with STR.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by munudeges » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:01 am

It's very clear that if the Honda unit proves good enough, and from Red Bull's point-of-view it has to be since Renault won't be around after this year, then RBR will end up using Honda engines and will be the preferred team. Red Bull is already giving Honda a huge amount of help with Ilmor's involvement. There is no way STR will remain the primary works team.

This is not the Honda unit being produced by the same people over the past three years. It's night and day.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by carisi2k » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:10 am

There will be no breaking of the contract between Toro Rosso and Honda. What will happen is that the Red Bull group will have factory Honda support with both Red Bull and Toro Rosso getting factory support and both the STR14 and RB15 will be optimised for the Honda engine.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by techman » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:40 am

i think honda have learnt a lot about fitting their engine in tight packaging. due to previous experience. so this definetly helped them integrate properly with str. its not the same with renault . because renault never had to fit their engine in to such tight space.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by HPD » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:37 am

We are leaving the main theme.

But when reading the Japanese forums, they say that Christian Horner is not as interested in using the Honda PU. Unlike Helmut Marko, who wants Honda in 2019. It could be true..

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by techman » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:08 pm

But when reading the Japanese forums, they say that Christian Horner is not as interested in using the Honda PU. Unlike Helmut Marko, who wants Honda in 2019. It could be true..
interesting. what matters is marko opinion

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by kptaylor » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Well, if RBR drops Renault for next year don't they wind up with Honda PUs regardless based on the supplier regs? The bigger question then goes back to who will be the works team. Horner or Marko don't matter with the PU supply, it'll be Honda, it matters more who will be negotiating the deal and works status. Will that be Marko?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by ArcticWolfie » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:07 pm

We are going off-topic here, but I don't think Honda wants to run their own team anymore. And I think RBR/RBT and Honda are working like crazy to get some works deal next year.
But let's wait and see, we might see an early engine swap announcement this year (Because Renault is applying pressure as well).

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Big Tea » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:09 pm

Would Aston martin be impressed with the Honda tie up and would Honda be keen on the AM name on the teams cars?

I can see Horner/ Marco going to F1 about this and saying its impossible give us a merc or Ferrari engine for the boss team RBR depends on AM sponsorship and if Honda dont like it either, think they may get it considered?
One test is worth a thousand expert opinions

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by JonoNic » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:24 pm

Would there be any advantage in making both TR and RBR works teams in the same season?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by bigblue » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:39 pm

Kinda interesting, but think this kind of conversation could carry on in the General F1 Honda Topic ?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Zynerji » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:20 am

Big Tea wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:09 pm
Would Aston martin be impressed with the Honda tie up and would Honda be keen on the AM name on the teams cars?

I can see Horner/ Marco going to F1 about this and saying its impossible give us a merc or Ferrari engine for the boss team RBR depends on AM sponsorship and if Honda dont like it either, think they may get it considered?
Not if the engines in the RBR continue to be "TAG Heuer".

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by blueytoo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:16 am

Christian Horner said the Mercedes and Ferrari consume 500mL oil more than Renault/Tag Heuer per 100L fuel. Wondering if the new Honda PU has managed to maximise oil consumption and how much is there to be gained and how??

Extra low tension rings; compression-activated sealing?
Stabilised combustion with extra high compression ratio?
2 stroke engine cycle?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by 3jawchuck » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:18 am

blueytoo wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:16 am
Christian Horner said the Mercedes and Ferrari consume 500mL oil more than Renault/Tag Heuer per 100L fuel. Wondering if the new Honda PU has managed to maximise oil consumption and how much is there to be gained and how??

Extra low tension rings; compression-activated sealing?
Stabilised combustion with extra high compression ratio?
2 stroke engine cycle?
2-stroke would be illegal for a start.
5.1.1 Only 4-stroke engines with reciprocating pistons are permitted.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by blueytoo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:34 pm

3jawchuck wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:18 am
2-stroke would be illegal for a start.
5.1.1 Only 4-stroke engines with reciprocating pistons are permitted.
Ok. But this is F1. What about a creative 4 stroke that got a small charge into part of the intake stroke????