2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Big Mangalhit » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:26 pm

munudeges wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:29 pm
Those laps of Ferrari worry me, because they smack of glory runs.
Agreed, Ferrari is in desperate need of glory/attention, who would want to advertise in such a low tier brand like Ferrari, they hardly get any exposition on media and races and they hardly have any fans. /s

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by ripper » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:46 pm

This is what Turrini (an italian journalist, Ferrari supporter that sometimes has some leaks from Maranello) wrote on his blog:
Allora, ecco cosa hanno capito a Maranello, a livello di Scuderia, dopo i test di Barcellona.

Si aspettavano qualcosa di più e di meglio dalla SF71H.

Se lo aspettava Mattia Binotto, il direttore tecnico. Se lo aspettava Maurizio Arrivabene, il capo della banda. Se lo aspettava Seb Vettel. Se lo aspettava Kimi Raikkonen.

Sul passo gara, la macchina per ora non è al livello della Mercedes.

Se la gioca invece con Red Bull.

Dopo di che, arriviamo al governo della non sfiducia.

Primo, erano test. Test in condizioni particolari per un po’ causa meteo.

Secondo, switchando dal passo corto al passo lungo la Ferrari ha scommesso tantissimo sugli sviluppi in corso d’opera. Si veda, in merito, l’evoluzione Mercedes di dodici mesi fa.

Terzo, sarebbe assurdo considerare chiusa la partita. Di sicuro le sensazioni non sono state quelle del 2017 e anche questo va detto e infatti è stato detto da osservatori che non hanno pregiudizi.

Quarto, la faccenda delle gomme non è chiarissima, forse per nessuno.

Quinto, Melbourne sarà il capitolo inaugurale, su un tracciato particolare.

Ecco, quanto raccontato sopra è il feeling a Maranello.
Quick translation:

This is what Scuderia Ferrari understood after test sessions.

They were expecting more and better from SF71H.

Binotto, Arrivabene, Vettel and Raikkonen were all expecting more.

On race pace the car isn't at Mercedes level.

They will be fighting with Red Bull.

There are some more considerations.

First, they were "just" test sessions. Sessions done with strange weather.

Second, switching from short to long wheelbase Ferrari bet a lot on in season development. See what Mercedes did last year.

Third, it would be absurd to consider the championship already closed. Anyway the feeling isn't as good as 2017, it was also said by external observers.

Fourth, tyre behavior isn't totally clear for them, but probabily it isn't for everyone.

Fifth, Melbourne is a different and characteristic track.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Vasconia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:43 am

ripper wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:46 pm
This is what Turrini (an italian journalist, Ferrari supporter that sometimes has some leaks from Maranello) wrote on his blog:
Allora, ecco cosa hanno capito a Maranello, a livello di Scuderia, dopo i test di Barcellona.

Si aspettavano qualcosa di più e di meglio dalla SF71H.

Se lo aspettava Mattia Binotto, il direttore tecnico. Se lo aspettava Maurizio Arrivabene, il capo della banda. Se lo aspettava Seb Vettel. Se lo aspettava Kimi Raikkonen.

Sul passo gara, la macchina per ora non è al livello della Mercedes.

Se la gioca invece con Red Bull.

Dopo di che, arriviamo al governo della non sfiducia.

Primo, erano test. Test in condizioni particolari per un po’ causa meteo.

Secondo, switchando dal passo corto al passo lungo la Ferrari ha scommesso tantissimo sugli sviluppi in corso d’opera. Si veda, in merito, l’evoluzione Mercedes di dodici mesi fa.

Terzo, sarebbe assurdo considerare chiusa la partita. Di sicuro le sensazioni non sono state quelle del 2017 e anche questo va detto e infatti è stato detto da osservatori che non hanno pregiudizi.

Quarto, la faccenda delle gomme non è chiarissima, forse per nessuno.

Quinto, Melbourne sarà il capitolo inaugurale, su un tracciato particolare.

Ecco, quanto raccontato sopra è il feeling a Maranello.
Quick translation:

This is what Scuderia Ferrari understood after test sessions.

They were expecting more and better from SF71H.

Binotto, Arrivabene, Vettel and Raikkonen were all expecting more.

On race pace the car isn't at Mercedes level.

They will be fighting with Red Bull.

There are some more considerations.

First, they were "just" test sessions. Sessions done with strange weather.

Second, switching from short to long wheelbase Ferrari bet a lot on in season development. See what Mercedes did last year.

Third, it would be absurd to consider the championship already closed. Anyway the feeling isn't as good as 2017, it was also said by external observers.

Fourth, tyre behavior isn't totally clear for them, but probabily it isn't for everyone.

Fifth, Melbourne is a different and characteristic track.
Perhaps aero data was showing that the car could be faster, perhaps the very cold temperatures affected them more. The longer Wheelbase could mean a car which a Little bit "diva" like last season´s Mercedes was.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by LM10 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:18 pm

For those who want to compare/analyze or whatever - fastest lap of last year's and this year's testing splitscreen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TEBwZfyc1M

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Mr.G » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:51 pm

So the new name for Vettel's car is Loria with potetial change to G-Loria :)

http://www.espn.com.au/f1/story/_/id/22 ... -car-loria
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by dren » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:57 pm

Fitting, Mr. G ;)

Melbourne is always a crapshoot and is rarely indicitive of what the season will look like. It sounds like Ferrari still have a bit to gain before quali with the set-up. We've seen them make strides over the weekend leading into the race. I expect Vettel to be fighting for the lead at the start with Max and Hamilton.
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Nonserviam85 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:54 pm

I believe the longer wheelbase car will suit Kimi's driving style more and Seb might struggle in the first couple of races

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by PhillipM » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:10 pm

I think it'll be the softer tyres that suit Kimi a bit this year rather than the car, he likes lots of front end grip/feedback and he's always been great at making softer tyres last.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Vasconia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:06 am

PhillipM wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:10 pm
I think it'll be the softer tyres that suit Kimi a bit this year rather than the car, he likes lots of front end grip/feedback and he's always been great at making softer tyres last.
It could be because he was faster than Seb, but the German hasn´t complained at all. I guess he knows where is the problems.

I know that Australia is not a good indicator but it showed that some Ferrari´s problems are real.

1. Fuel consumption. Difficult to solve until it comes a PU evolution, when it will be? because the current engine must last a bunch of races.

2. Worse balance and DF, last year Ferrari was very fast on corners, now they have to struggle much more which is terrible because it was the only way they could defeat Mercedes as it seems nearly imposible to build a better PU than the Germans.

Thoughts?

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by JRodrigues » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:10 am

I don't know if the consumption is a problem. Vettel didn't have to slow down for us to consider he was saving fuel. If that is the case, then Mercedes did the same.

Yes, the car didn't seem as responsive/quick in Australia, but there maybe some tracks where last year's car wasn't as quick and this year it could be at the front. It might suit better some tracks more than others, we'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Vasconia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:12 am

JRodrigues wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:10 am
I don't know if the consumption is a problem. Vettel didn't have to slow down for us to consider he was saving fuel. If that is the case, then Mercedes did the same.

Yes, the car didn't seem as responsive/quick in Australia, but there maybe some tracks where last year's car wasn't as quick and this year it could be at the front. It might suit better some tracks more than others, we'll just have to wait and see.
I read/Heard that Mercedes saved fuel on the first stint, but they also say that the Germans have a very fuel efficient PU so they don´t need to save as much as Ferrari.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by ferkan » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:31 am

PU is as fuel efficient as its powerful. That means more power = bigger efficiency = better fuel economy.

I wonder is there any artistic reason why Ferrari painted half of shark fin in red and made it not follow fluid engine cover, but actually look bulging out and making car look fatter? Really weird choice when compared to Haas for example.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by ripper » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:16 pm

Yesterday I found this article that might summarize a bit FER moment:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... 92475&em=1

quick translation:

- at Barcelona FER hadn't aerodinamic balance
- new floor with 2 channels near transmission gave instability at the beginning of braking
- in last 2 weeks they tried to fix the problem (more rigid floor and more expansion from diffuser), but this isn't a definitve solution. On friday they also used sensor to monitor movements and heights
- FER sent to Australia was "less extreme" than wanted
- they had to reduce rake
- with less DF on rear they had to use a lower DF front wing to keep aerodynamic balance
- Less downforce and drag gave them higher top speed

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by CriXus » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:00 pm

ripper wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:16 pm
Yesterday I found this article that might summarize a bit FER moment:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... 92475&em=1

quick translation:

- at Barcelona FER hadn't aerodinamic balance
- new floor with 2 channels near transmission gave instability at the beginning of braking
- in last 2 weeks they tried to fix the problem (more rigid floor and more expansion from diffuser), but this isn't a definitve solution. On friday they also used sensor to monitor movements and heights
- FER sent to Australia was "less extreme" than wanted
- they had to reduce rake
- with less DF on rear they had to use a lower DF front wing to keep aerodynamic balance
- Less downforce and drag gave them higher top speed
So the initial car configuration had more downforce, but it was unstable?
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