2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by the EDGE » Wed May 16, 2018 5:46 pm

Very interesting insight from Norris re. New updates, not sure if that has already been posted, couldn’t be bothered to wade through the pages of people’s unfounded speculation and opinion quoted as fact

https://racer.com/2018/05/16/mclaren-ne ... ar-norris/

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by radosav » Wed May 16, 2018 6:38 pm

the EDGE wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 5:46 pm
Very interesting insight from Norris re. New updates, not sure if that has already been posted, couldn’t be bothered to wade through the pages of people’s unfounded speculation and opinion quoted as fact

https://racer.com/2018/05/16/mclaren-ne ... ar-norris/
So updates are still not big gain as we thought ?

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by nirvaand » Wed May 16, 2018 7:16 pm

radosav wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 6:38 pm
the EDGE wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 5:46 pm
Very interesting insight from Norris re. New updates, not sure if that has already been posted, couldn’t be bothered to wade through the pages of people’s unfounded speculation and opinion quoted as fact

https://racer.com/2018/05/16/mclaren-ne ... ar-norris/
So updates are still not big gain as we thought ?
I don't think they have the perfect set-up for the new nose yet. But hopefully, this test helped them sort that out. They should be able to find a little more performance at Monaco.

But in reality, the nose was never going to bring major performance gains, its main objective is to direct airflow. The new nose is quiet revolutionary in the way it does that.

Now that McLaren can control the airflow at the front, they can bring updates to the floor, bargeboard and sidepods to really improve the performance. No one really knows what updates they are bringing to Monaco or Canada, but improving car stability and aero efficiency should be a top priority.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by the EDGE » Wed May 16, 2018 7:21 pm

radosav wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 6:38 pm
the EDGE wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 5:46 pm
Very interesting insight from Norris re. New updates, not sure if that has already been posted, couldn’t be bothered to wade through the pages of people’s unfounded speculation and opinion quoted as fact

https://racer.com/2018/05/16/mclaren-ne ... ar-norris/
So updates are still not big gain as we thought ?
How big did you think they were? We’ve seen the performance gain, 2 or 3 tenths on a circuit like Barcelona in comparison to the steps others have taken, so we know how big the update is

Only time will show if that carry’s over to other circuits, or indeed if more can be extracted.

What Norris said is it’s added downforce & reduces lap time but made to car harder to drive

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by PhillipM » Wed May 16, 2018 10:02 pm

I did say when people were going nuts about it the week before that we should only expect 2-3 tenths if we're lucky given everyone else's upgrade packages, these things aren't bolt on and run solutions. They need time.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Wed May 16, 2018 11:11 pm

Alonso Fan wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:55 pm
bauc wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:31 pm
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Thanks for that.

I am a McLaren fan since 1988 and will stand by them until forever - good and bad times !! !!

Our current form is disapointing, but with the late change to Renault the first part of the season was always going to be difficult. As many others have stated, this will be a building year and I am really looking forward to second half of the season and 2019.

I like the new Rear Suspension and really hope they can get it working well.

I think PP will get us there soon.
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by godlameroso » Thu May 17, 2018 2:54 am

There's still so much more to come, this is just a teaser. There's so much more surface area they're not yet taking advantage of, especially compared to the top 3. That nose must have taken a fair bit to produce, but it was a necessary step for them to get the most out of what they're planning to do in the middle of the car.
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by stevesingo » Thu May 17, 2018 8:54 am

WRT the upgrade package, McLaren made the largest step in performance in Spain. There is and Autosport Plus piece by Gary Anderson (Paywalled) https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/82 ... yre-change.

Where 100% represents the average fastest across the first 5 GPs, the respective team performances are as follows;

Mercedes

Five-race average: 100.189%
Spanish GP: 100.000%
Change for Spain - 0.189%

Ferrari

Five-race average: 100.198%
Spanish GP: 100.173%
Change for Spain - 0.025%

Red Bull

Five-race average: 100.680%
Spanish GP: 100.844%
Change for Spain + 0.164%

Renault

Five-race average: 101.788%
Spanish GP: 102.123%
Change for Spain + 0.335%

Haas

Five-race average: 101.939%
Spanish GP: 101.897%
Change for Spain - 0.042%

Force India

Five-race average: 102.365%
Spanish GP: 103.312%
Change for Spain - 0.053%

McLaren

Five-race average: 102.422%
Spanish GP: 102.032%
Change for Spain -0.390%

Toro Rosso
Five-race average: 102.926%
Spanish GP: 103.006%
Change for Spain + 0.080%

Sauber

Five-race average: 103.377%
Spanish GP: 103.266%
Change for Spain - 0.111%

Williams

Five-race average: 103.529%
Spanish GP: 104.624%
Change for Spain + 1.095%

In order, the Delta in performance change for Spain was;

McLaren -0.390%
Mercedes - 0.189%
Sauber - 0.111%
Force India - 0.053%
Hass - 0.042%
Ferrari - 0.025%
Torro Rosso + 0.080%
Red Bull + 0.164%
Renault + 0.335%
Wiliams + 1.095%

Some of the swing in Delta will be circuit specific, but it will be interesting to monitor this as the season progresses.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Bill_Kar » Thu May 17, 2018 9:45 am

If we're talking about 2-3 tenths on others, then we can conclude that it was a big update on its own. And, as it was said above, it's the nature of the upgrade that McLaren will reap the benefit in time.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Thu May 17, 2018 11:46 am

Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by dren » Thu May 17, 2018 12:20 pm

Haas was a good bit ahead of Mclaren and Renault at Catalonia.
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Thu May 17, 2018 12:25 pm

dren wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:20 pm
Haas was a good bit ahead of Mclaren and Renault at Catalonia.
I thought so as well...
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by RonDennis » Thu May 17, 2018 1:53 pm

Haas were always going to be good in Barcelona. They didn't even bring any (major) updates. Let's hope the next few updates will get them there.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Thu May 17, 2018 2:03 pm

RonDennis wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:53 pm
Haas were always going to be good in Barcelona. They didn't even bring any (major) updates. Let's hope the next few updates will get them there.
If the "last year Ferrari" claims are accurate, then they should be hard to beat in Monaco as well...
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.