2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by loner » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:22 pm

j.yank wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:08 pm
Gasly's overtake on Force India:
https://imgur.com/a/ILtVjV2
thnx.. rated.
i'll definitely watch France with great interest.
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Thunder18 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:32 pm

j.yank wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:08 pm
Gasly's overtake on Force India:
https://imgur.com/a/ILtVjV2
Got him on the brakes too and on the outside, must've been Alonso dictating the tv feed :D

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by maguetox » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:45 pm

Hammerfist wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:13 am
ArcticWolfie wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:25 pm
Gasly's overtake on Magnussen =D>
https://imgur.com/KNE3k5K
Were they on same age tires? That was so easy. =D>
After I saw this video is clear that Honda bring a good updated to Canada, not only the TR have the capacity to pass other cars in the straight but also because you can see that after Pierre pass Magnussen and only intermediately before he start to braking (or in the braking) the rear light started to blink, when last year that light start to blink like 300 or 400 meters before the curve.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by HPD » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:01 pm

Gasly:
"I put pressure on everybody, Franz Tost, Jonathan Eddolls, Toyohary Tanabe ... All of us, I said that I wanted to build the new engine because I did not have a complicated race, I preferred to be penalized here, we had more chances to finish in the points and better because in France we did not start from behind ."

"I forced them to change the engine, even if they penalized me." I started nineteenth and recovered eight positions. With the other engine he had gone sixteenth and had a very difficult race ahead."
http://www.caranddriver.es/formula-1/ga ... otor-nuevo

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:10 pm

i also like that honda changed the engine. i didnt understand why they did not change to new engine in qualy

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by NL_Fer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:17 pm

techman wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:10 pm
i also like that honda changed the engine. i didnt understand why they did not change to new engine in qualy
They didn’t have enough time to figure out if that would solve the problem or if it would be worth the penalty. The mechanics need al the time between FP3 and Q to swap an engine.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Marti_EF3 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:18 pm

techman wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:10 pm
i also like that honda changed the engine. i didnt understand why they did not change to new engine in qualy
Maybe because the issue wasn't clear at that time. And the with more time detected that was nothing to do with the ICE and only some sort of upgraded MGU-H

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Soichiro » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:32 pm

MMMMMMMM wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:18 pm
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:43 am
..... Toro Rosso did media presentations but always said that Honda will meet Renault engine mid season.
That's what Honda has been saying for the last three years, that they will catch Renault by mid-season and leapfrog them by the end of the season. Hard facts tell us Toro Rosso is the only team that went backwards compared to last year.
There you go. Before mid season. 8)

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by dren » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:48 pm

STR is currently 7th in the constructors. They've finished 7th every year since 2014. The best finish in the constructors they've had is 6th, and that was in 2008 when Vettel gave them their only victory to date.

They've already equaled Sainz's best finish of 4th in Singapore last year.
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by ispano6 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:19 am

MMMMMMMM wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:18 pm
sn809 wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:43 am
..... Toro Rosso did media presentations but always said that Honda will meet Renault engine mid season.
That's what Honda has been saying for the last three years, that they will catch Renault by mid-season and leapfrog them by the end of the season. Hard facts tell us Toro Rosso is the only team that went backwards compared to last year.

Comparing 2018 qualy results with 2017, TR is +0.1s, while everyone else improved to a smaller or greater extent.
Sauber is -1.9s compared to 2017.
McLaren is -1.8s compared to 2017.

The way I see it, is that Honda has improved, but the others haven't sat still and the time sheets reflect that.
Toro Rosso on the other hand have a lot of home work to do. As much as I like Hartley and Gasly and believe in their potential, right now they are not the pair TR needed for the development work that's ahead.
I'm not sure if staffing and resourcing is adequate either, for TR to become a podium contender in the next few years.
You're clearly mistaking Toro Rosso for Williams, the only team to go backwards.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by carisi2k » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:00 am

MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:32 am

carisi2k wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:00 am
MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.
Did you equalise the tyres?
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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Jopl » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:52 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:32 am
carisi2k wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:00 am
MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.
Did you equalise the tyres?
Please don't forget that Toro Rosso has two rookies that are driving for the first time on most of the tracks. Just saying.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by techman » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:55 am

absolutely , rookies drivers, i believe the potential of the car can be shown with a good experience driver. it not the case here.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by godlameroso » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:29 am

carisi2k wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:00 am
MMMMMMMMM is obviously smoking something.

2017 fastest = Kyvat at 1:13.690
2018 fastest = Hartley at 1:12.635

That is over a 1 second improvement and had gasly not qualified on his old engine it might have been even faster.
Sauber had a significant amount of time to make up but even then leclerc is clearly faster then ericsson. Ericsson was slower in 2018 then in 2017 but leclerc was nearly 1.6 seconds faster in Q1 then him which shows what a difference a good driver can make.

Mclaren is a 1:13.693 vs 1:12.856 in comparison of 2017 to 18. That is only a 0.8 tenths improvement.
Red Bull is a 1:12.4 vs 1:10.937 which means max would have qualified ahead of Fernando with his slower 2017 car in 2018.
Some of it is down to the tires. Hypersoft being a bit faster than last year's ultra soft. The tires being worth the better part of a second. In other words the improvement over last year is smaller than you think. The new Honda engine is guaranteed .3 seconds faster than last year's Renault.
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