Driver styles/preferences

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by mertol » Thu May 11, 2017 7:32 am

Ferrari has more downforce and less top speed. It's normal to brake later.

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by marmer » Thu May 11, 2017 7:34 am

On the other topic about honda power alonso brakes massively later due to the lack of speed into the turn

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by Ennis » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:59 am

Something I'd love to see -

An accurate overhead map showing individual driver's lines around a track. Maybe even make the colour of their line change temperature dependent on their speed. If possible, some sort of inverted colour within it to show on/off the brakes (not sure we can see pressure applied to brakes publicly). Interactive so you can select/deselect different drivers to compare lines.

Am I asking too much? :)

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by johnny comelately » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:28 am

FW17 wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:06 pm
This is off topic but this is really something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdtKTlJx ... ure=search
It is fantastically on the money and on the topic.
a slightly better one here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1JuxgiPvz0

The significant thing here is : no curb/kerb hopping

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by Just_a_fan » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:44 am

Montoya still went fully off track in a couple of places, even if he didn't hop curbs. No doubt, if Indy cars were built to hop curbs, he would have been doing that too.
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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by PlatinumZealot » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Ennis wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:59 am
Something I'd love to see -

An accurate overhead map showing individual driver's lines around a track. Maybe even make the colour of their line change temperature dependent on their speed. If possible, some sort of inverted colour within it to show on/off the brakes (not sure we can see pressure applied to brakes publicly). Interactive so you can select/deselect different drivers to compare lines.

Am I asking too much? :)
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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by johnny comelately » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:49 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:44 am
Montoya still went fully off track in a couple of places, even if he didn't hop curbs. No doubt, if Indy cars were built to hop curbs, he would have been doing that too.
I dont believe that is right.
Turns 1, 2 and 3 were quite able to be run over if he chose to, and he did not.
His full use of track was extraordinary and the fact that he did not hop the kerbs says a lot imho.

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by Sevach » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:33 pm

I found this video entertaining.


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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:55 am

Interesting video. It shows what the commentator doesn't want to say - that Hamilton was quicker through the corner. Sure, Vettel might have got on the power a bit earlier because of his line but Hamilton carried more speed through the corner. The on board showed they were in at the same time but Hamilton was out earlier. The thing about lines in the corner and who got on the power when is interesting but one fact remains - apex speed is key. Hamilton was quicker at the apex and so quicker through the corner.

The one thing the commentator missed is that minimum corner speed is key to lap time. Why so? Quite simple really - the cars carry downforce in order to be quicker in the corners. If you are quicker at the slowest point then you gain more than you do from being quick at the quickest point. The reasoning is left to the reader.

One only has to look at the speed trap times - quite often, (usually?) the pole sitter is not the fastest in the speed trap. The reason is again obvious and left to the reader to consider.
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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by mertol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am

The difference is rarely more than a couple of km/h it doesn't matter that much to the downforce level. What is most important in this turn is the exit speed as it is followed by a fairly long straight.

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Re: Driver styles/preferences

Post by gold333 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Sevach wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:33 pm
I found this video entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNisfvk35s
Oddly enough the difference between Ham and Vet is the same as in the other two video's on Youtube (Schumacher / Herbert telemetry lap trace difference and Senna / Palmer telemetry lap trace difference.) Those two other vids are easy to find.

Ham, Sch, Sen simply brake earlier and less than their competitor in the comparison is the conclusion of all three vids.
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