McLaren MCL33

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zoroastar
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by zoroastar » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:50 am

diffuser wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:45 am
I don't think taking up more space is gonna help you. If anything it's gonna hurt.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWtAnT5VwAACdwz.jpg
that wideangle lens does wonders for length... i think mclaren do have the shortest wheelbase this year?

diffuser
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by diffuser » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm

They were middle of the pack last year. I haven't seen any numbers from this year ... They were between RBR and Renault, there was a 8cm difference between the 3 and Renault was the long one.

M840TR
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:46 am

diffuser wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm
They were middle of the pack last year. I haven't seen any numbers from this year ... They were between RBR and Renault, there was a 8cm difference between the 3 and Renault was the long one.
Since Haas, Sauber and FI purchase suspension, packaging and cooling solutions etc from Merc and Ferrari, they probably have a long wheelbase car too.

turbof1
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by turbof1 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:49 am

M840TR wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:46 am
diffuser wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm
They were middle of the pack last year. I haven't seen any numbers from this year ... They were between RBR and Renault, there was a 8cm difference between the 3 and Renault was the long one.
Since Haas, Sauber and FI purchase suspension, packaging and cooling solutions etc from Merc and Ferrari, they probably have a long wheelbase car too.
Not necessarily. If the merc and ferrari gearboxes have a shroud for the suspension, you can do some adaptations.

DFX
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by DFX » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:37 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:49 am
M840TR wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:46 am
diffuser wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm
They were middle of the pack last year. I haven't seen any numbers from this year ... They were between RBR and Renault, there was a 8cm difference between the 3 and Renault was the long one.
Since Haas, Sauber and FI purchase suspension, packaging and cooling solutions etc from Merc and Ferrari, they probably have a long wheelbase car too.
Not necessarily. If the merc and ferrari gearboxes have a shroud for the suspension, you can do some adaptations.
Haas at least has the exact same dimensions as the Ferrari, so it might be true to the others aswell.

M840TR
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:47 pm

turbof1 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:49 am
M840TR wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:46 am
diffuser wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm
They were middle of the pack last year. I haven't seen any numbers from this year ... They were between RBR and Renault, there was a 8cm difference between the 3 and Renault was the long one.
Since Haas, Sauber and FI purchase suspension, packaging and cooling solutions etc from Merc and Ferrari, they probably have a long wheelbase car too.
Not necessarily. If the merc and ferrari gearboxes have a shroud for the suspension, you can do some adaptations.
You can tell by the turning angle on the bargeboards.

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turbof1
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by turbof1 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:02 pm

Ah my bad, I was talking about the rear suspension. I think the front suspension is still highly adaptable and really depends on the chassis design.

zoroastar
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by zoroastar » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:36 pm

i think i was confusing shortest wheelbase with shortest front to back. i could have sworn i read that somewhere. i think mclaren did lengthen the rear by increasing width of the gearbox. dont know anything about the front.

M840TR
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:13 pm

zoroastar wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:36 pm
i think i was confusing shortest wheelbase with shortest front to back. i could have sworn i read that somewhere. i think mclaren did lengthen the rear by increasing width of the gearbox. dont know anything about the front.
Yes, the bell housing is a bit longer this year due to the Renault engine design.

diffuser
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by diffuser » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:33 pm

M840TR wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:13 pm
zoroastar wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:36 pm
i think i was confusing shortest wheelbase with shortest front to back. i could have sworn i read that somewhere. i think mclaren did lengthen the rear by increasing width of the gearbox. dont know anything about the front.
Yes, the bell housing is a bit longer this year due to the Renault engine design.
The Bell housing was lengthened because the Renault doesn't have 6"-10" compressor on the front of the PU. So the Renault PU sits further forward.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by diffuser » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 pm

This is making the most of what you got ...

Notice the sidepods start, roughly, on the inside front of the halo for both cars.
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But when you look at the RB14 from the side ... There is no Sidepod there, just a crash structure that's holding up the mid wing. The sidepod starts furtherback.

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M840TR
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:18 pm

diffuser wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 pm
This is making the most of what you got ...

Notice the sidepods start, roughly, on the inside front of the halo for both cars.
https://media-cdn.mclaren.com/media/ima ... bsite4.jpg


http://www.michaelpotts.com/images/form ... image1.jpg


But when you look at the RB14 from the side ... There is no Sidepod there, just a crash structure that's holding up the mid wing. The sidepod starts furtherback.

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... 680118.jpg
Doesn't fit to their design philosophy. They have to keep a much wider sidepod for the vortex generators to work. Plus if they went the RB way they'd compromise the intercoolers which itself compensate for the narrow upper body.

Nonserviam85
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Nonserviam85 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:10 pm

M840TR wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:18 pm
diffuser wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 pm
This is making the most of what you got ...

Notice the sidepods start, roughly, on the inside front of the halo for both cars.
https://media-cdn.mclaren.com/media/ima ... bsite4.jpg


http://www.michaelpotts.com/images/form ... image1.jpg


But when you look at the RB14 from the side ... There is no Sidepod there, just a crash structure that's holding up the mid wing. The sidepod starts furtherback.

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... 680118.jpg
Doesn't fit to their design philosophy. They have to keep a much wider sidepod for the vortex generators to work. Plus if they went the RB way they'd compromise the intercoolers which itself compensate for the narrow upper body.
But this is the issue, this design seems to underperform compared to the tall and narrow sidepod design. The Renault PU might have different packaging requirements but Red Bull made it work, so I guess McLaren should be looking that way.

M840TR
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:52 pm

Nonserviam85 wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:10 pm
M840TR wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:18 pm
diffuser wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 pm
This is making the most of what you got ...

Notice the sidepods start, roughly, on the inside front of the halo for both cars.
https://media-cdn.mclaren.com/media/ima ... bsite4.jpg


http://www.michaelpotts.com/images/form ... image1.jpg


But when you look at the RB14 from the side ... There is no Sidepod there, just a crash structure that's holding up the mid wing. The sidepod starts furtherback.

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... 680118.jpg
Doesn't fit to their design philosophy. They have to keep a much wider sidepod for the vortex generators to work. Plus if they went the RB way they'd compromise the intercoolers which itself compensate for the narrow upper body.
But this is the issue, this design seems to underperform compared to the tall and narrow sidepod design. The Renault PU might have different packaging requirements but Red Bull made it work, so I guess McLaren should be looking that way.
This is not the issue. It's a less ambitious sidepod design that's all. Their issues are some fundamental aero flaws that would take months worth of R&D. Renault's is even less aggressive but they were 0.8 sec ahead in Germany.

charliesmithhd
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by charliesmithhd » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:11 pm

M840TR wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:52 pm
Nonserviam85 wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:10 pm
M840TR wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:18 pm


Doesn't fit to their design philosophy. They have to keep a much wider sidepod for the vortex generators to work. Plus if they went the RB way they'd compromise the intercoolers which itself compensate for the narrow upper body.
But this is the issue, this design seems to underperform compared to the tall and narrow sidepod design. The Renault PU might have different packaging requirements but Red Bull made it work, so I guess McLaren should be looking that way.
This is not the issue. It's a less ambitious sidepod design that's all. Their issues are some fundamental aero flaws that would take months worth of R&D. Renault's is even less aggressive but they were 0.8 sec ahead in Germany.
It does seem that McLaren has a larger surface area around the side pod inlet compared to redbull and renault