2018 season

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2018 season

Post by roon » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:51 pm

I noticed three distinct fights in the standings--a two-way fight for first, a four-way fight for third, and a three-way fight for seventh. I'm pretty bad at historical F1 statistics, so I was wondering if this sort of thing is common mid-season. From the front page of this website:

1. Sebastian Vettel 146
2. Lewis Hamilton 145

3. Kimi Räikkönen 101
4. Daniel Ricciardo 96
5. Max Verstappen 93
6. Valtteri Bottas 92

7. Kevin Magnussen 37
8. Fernando Alonso 36
9. Nico Hulkenberg 34


I would also venture to guess that this is the first time in five years that Merc have not been leading the constructors championship mid-season.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Clearhooter » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:11 pm

I've been interested in F-1 since 1961. Seems there has always been some form of domination in the sport. Be it the driver, the car or both. I followed the sport religiously during the era of Clark, Hill, Brabham, Gurney and the likes. When Jimmy got killed I kind of lost interest. In 2011 I happened on the Hungarian GP on SPEED VISION (Miss that channel.). That was some too fast to think racing. I was hooked again. There's been a lot of changes since then. Hybrids, drivers, I got a "HOME TEAM" to pull for. BUT !!! IMO.... In answer to your question. YES. You can just about be assured one of two teams are going to have at least one driver on the podium. This year has been THE BEST most competitive year I have watched since 2011. there are really three teams alive. And from 4th spot on down there are a lot more opportunities for anyone to move up.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Manoah2u » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Without being negative towards the past near-decade; i'd advise you to download and watch the Senna vs Prost and Schumacher era. late 80s all the way to the mid 90's.
Absolutely spectacular.
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Re: 2018 season

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Clearhooter wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:11 pm
I've been interested in F-1 since 1961. Seems there has always been some form of domination in the sport. Be it the driver, the car or both. I followed the sport religiously during the era of Clark, Hill, Brabham, Gurney and the likes. When Jimmy got killed I kind of lost interest. In 2011 I happened on the Hungarian GP on SPEED VISION (Miss that channel.). That was some too fast to think racing. I was hooked again. There's been a lot of changes since then. Hybrids, drivers, I got a "HOME TEAM" to pull for. BUT !!! IMO.... In answer to your question. YES. You can just about be assured one of two teams are going to have at least one driver on the podium. This year has been THE BEST most competitive year I have watched since 2011. there are really three teams alive. And from 4th spot on down there are a lot more opportunities for anyone to move up.
You forget 2012 already?! 8)
Seven races seven winners.
Final battle in the final race. I will always remember that season fondly.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Clearhooter » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:51 am

F-1 does see competition for the podiums from time to time. And championships ! But I see more domination between those times. Or maybe it's that, the one that comes out on top of those intense competitions tend to dominate ? The main thing is... It's fast ! I like it !

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Andres125sx » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:24 pm

IMO this season is awesome on the best of the rest battle. Except top three teams, all teams are there at some race. Not Williams, but maybe with a better lineup... But even STR and Sauber have been best of the rest at some GP.

There are GPs where they´re all in half a second or close, and the slightest mistake can make a car with was aiming 7th finish 12th.

The title battle, both constructors and drivers, looks the most interesting in a while too

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Re: 2018 season

Post by roon » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:32 pm

Renault are considered a factory team, but so are Ferrari and Merc. The points gap between those two and Renault is significant, though. What advantages should Renault have as a factory team, but are not reaping? Nor exploiting. Or realizing.

They are doing a little better than Haas/McLaren/Force India, but have 1/3 the points of the best customer team.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by senja » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:05 am

They need years. Mercedes started their factory team in 2010, by buying the best team from previous year. And they lose to Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari in 2010 and 2011. Two customer teams, one of them with their engine, and one factory team. But Renault was behind them in their first two years. Then in 2012 Renault is gone as factory team. But Mercedes finished that year in 5. place. Behind Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Lotus (bought from Renault factory team). So Mercedes in their 3rd year lose to 3 customer teams and one factory team.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Phil » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:26 am

After 12 races now in total, might as well update the original post with the most recent figures a month later:

1 Lewis Hamilton 213
2 Sebastian Vettel 189 (-24 to 1st)


[43 points]

3 Kimi Raikkonen 146
4 Valtteri Bottas 132 (-14 to 3rd)
5 Daniel Ricciardo 118 (-28 to 3rd)
6 Max Verstappen 105 (-41 to 3rd)


[53 points]

7 Nico Hulkenberg 52
8 Kevin Magnussen 45 (-7 to 7th)
9 Fernando Alonso 44 (-8 to 7th)


Still 9 races to come.
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Re: 2018 season

Post by Brenton » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:26 am

Does 3rd place matter to those 4 drivers? If it does, how much does it matter to them compared to getting their team 1st or 2nd in constructors?

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Big Tea » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Brenton wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:26 am
Does 3rd place matter to those 4 drivers? If it does, how much does it matter to them compared to getting their team 1st or 2nd in constructors?
It matters a lot to the drivers, as it appears in the 'headline'. No one knows who came 4th, 5th, or 6th unless they look it up. The podium is the headline.
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Re: 2018 season

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 am

Third place nets you a visit to the Gala. Who would want to miss that? (actually Kimi says he hates going!)

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Clearhooter » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:21 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 am
Third place nets you a visit to the Gala. (actually Kimi says he hates going!)
Kimi would. They put so much pressure on the poor guy to be the life of the party.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Brenton » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:45 pm

Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:46 pm
Brenton wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:26 am
Does 3rd place matter to those 4 drivers? If it does, how much does it matter to them compared to getting their team 1st or 2nd in constructors?
It matters a lot to the drivers, as it appears in the 'headline'. No one knows who came 4th, 5th, or 6th unless they look it up. The podium is the headline.
Sorry, I meant 3rd place in the WDC, responding to the OP discussing the "fight for third" in WDC.

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Re: 2018 season

Post by Big Tea » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:02 pm

Brenton wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:45 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:46 pm
Brenton wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:26 am
Does 3rd place matter to those 4 drivers? If it does, how much does it matter to them compared to getting their team 1st or 2nd in constructors?
It matters a lot to the drivers, as it appears in the 'headline'. No one knows who came 4th, 5th, or 6th unless they look it up. The podium is the headline.
Sorry, I meant 3rd place in the WDC, responding to the OP discussing the "fight for third" in WDC.
OK, with you now
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