McLaren MCL33

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by PhillipM » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm

Honestly, the saddest thing about this car is you know they've got some great aero guys - the rear wing, front wing, old nose, bargboard/tub connection, floor strakes, etc, etc, are all being copied up and down the grid - and yet the guys that came up with it all can't get the benefit because of what eventually boils down to a packaging issue #-o

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Morteza » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:36 pm

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by marvin78 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:38 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm
Honestly, the saddest thing about this car is you know they've got some great aero guys - the rear wing, front wing, old nose, bargboard/tub connection, floor strakes, etc, etc, are all being copied up and down the grid - and yet the guys that came up with it all can't get the benefit because of what eventually boils down to a packaging issue #-o
As I don't see any exact copy of anything on the grid, I would say, they just take the things, bring them to perfection and include them into their package. Good aero guys can do that. But I don't know what this tells us about the McLaren guys ;)

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by godlameroso » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:40 pm

PhillipM wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm
Honestly, the saddest thing about this car is you know they've got some great aero guys - the rear wing, front wing, old nose, bargboard/tub connection, floor strakes, etc, etc, are all being copied up and down the grid - and yet the guys that came up with it all can't get the benefit because of what eventually boils down to a packaging issue #-o
So essentially too many shortcomings baked into the chassis that it's better to just start over?
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Jackles-UK » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:56 pm

Zak Brown has said that the base car has not responded well to upgrades and they haven’t made the steps their software suggested they should be making. I get the impression that this is yet another McLaren that was developed too peaky where it was fast in one particular sweet spot but rubbish everywhere else; the likes of Haas, Renault and Force India focused on making solid, drivable baselines and then going from there which would have been a much better option (and where I hope they go next year).

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by the EDGE » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:32 pm

Jackles-UK wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:56 pm
Zak Brown has said that the base car has not responded well to upgrades and they haven’t made the steps their software suggested they should be making. I get the impression that this is yet another McLaren that was developed too peaky where it was fast in one particular sweet spot but rubbish everywhere else; the likes of Haas, Renault and Force India focused on making solid, drivable baselines and then going from there which would have been a much better option (and where I hope they go next year).
When they introduced the new nose concept the driver feedback was that the car was faster but didn’t handle as well, for me that backs up your statement

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Re: McLaren MCL33

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by M840TR » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:34 am

PhillipM wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm
Honestly, the saddest thing about this car is you know they've got some great aero guys - the rear wing, front wing, old nose, bargboard/tub connection, floor strakes, etc, etc, are all being copied up and down the grid - and yet the guys that came up with it all can't get the benefit because of what eventually boils down to a packaging issue #-o
Are you saying they've been struggling only because of the packaging?

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Re: McLaren MCL33

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by f1rules » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:47 am

this week ferrari and merc both adopting mclaren style rw endplate details, and fi the front bargeboard chassis attachment that also Haas adopted,
i so tired of this crap chassis, and the idiots that designed it, on top misleading Zak, who based on their ridicules incompetent input made a horific strategic decision that has set mclaren back years and years and years.

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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 pm
Honestly, the saddest thing about this car is you know they've got some great aero guys - the rear wing, front wing, old nose, bargboard/tub connection, floor strakes, etc, etc, are all being copied up and down the grid - and yet the guys that came up with it all can't get the benefit because of what eventually boils down to a packaging issue #-o
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by UlleGulle » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:49 am

Jackles-UK wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:56 pm
I get the impression that this is yet another McLaren that was developed too peaky where it was fast in one particular sweet spot but rubbish everywhere else
I think this thesis explains the gap in performance between Alonso and Vandoorne. Alonso is the most experienced driver on the grid and have spent a large portion of his career in not so well functioning cars. This enables him to push the car harder without leaving the performance envelope of the MCL33, something Vandoorne is not able to do.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by f1rules » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:54 am

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by Just_a_fan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:09 am

I don't understand why they have the blunt plank at the front of the floor. Look at the top three and this area has a large radius that acts as a nice front end to the floor - they have some VGs too to help generate downforce in this area. The McLaren has a plank sticking out with a bullnose front edge. Not "nice and inviting" for the air flow. Looks like they're trying to stop air getting under the car, rather than encouraging flow.

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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by godlameroso » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:08 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:09 am
I don't understand why they have the blunt plank at the front of the floor. Look at the top three and this area has a large radius that acts as a nice front end to the floor - they have some VGs too to help generate downforce in this area. The McLaren has a plank sticking out with a bullnose front edge. Not "nice and inviting" for the air flow. Looks like they're trying to stop air getting under the car, rather than encouraging flow.

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Because they banked on that plate behind the chicken wing to direct enough air under the floor that they didn't factor this area in their design, they were probably more focused in getting the power unit to fit in the car. They can't really change it this year without a big redesign of the tub so on to the next one.

The middle of the car is an inefficient mess and they know it, but they can't do much, next year they'll make the necessary modifications to the tub so the area can be a lot more modular and upgradable.

Bonus question what do box kites have to do with the side pods?
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Re: McLaren MCL33

Post by f1rules » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:32 am

so it seems under some circumstances the car is not to bad... where is the flaw buried, you guys think?
i have to say, the pace was surprisingly good