2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Jolle » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:12 pm

With all the "who was a good investment or not", hindsight is easy. They should have done what RedBull is doing now, let Honda work out their problems in a midfield team and then integrate it into their car... but... lets roll back to 2013.

McLaren was just "freed" from their Daimler ownership but also their funding and support. Plus, Vodafone announced that they were stepping out, even a year sooner than expected. Ron Dennis needed a new source of income plus a partner that could replace Daimler. For 2014 they still had the majority of Vodafone funding and a Mercedes PU but needed a change for 2015 asap.
The deal with Honda was necessary and so was Ron's vision of having two world champions in the car. The best years of the Philip Morris team were with two wold champions in their cars! sponsors would line up and money would be flowing again...

Looking back at the three big sponsor deals that McLaren had, Philip Morris, West and Vodafone, none of them were made my McLaren/Project Four...

In the early eighties Philip Morris basically hired and funded Project Four to run the McLaren team to run their F1 program, West came with Mercedes and Vodafone was also a Daimler deal.

I have no clue what the long term plan is now. In their financial papers they are reporting they are selling heritage cars to fund the F1 program. The investments made during the past years form new and old investors have been used to pay outstanding debts for the car division (they of. course had to loan a large amount of cash to start) and to pay off Ron Dennis (around 200mln pounds).

It almost looks like they are throwing away the next two seasons, not investing on short term small improvements (like expensive drivers) and focus on a good basis and focus on good 2021 season. A fresh start. A new title sponsor, a technical partner to compete against the four works teams....

The top four has the potential to scale up their investments without even blinking an eye. McLaren can't. They need a big plan and fast or scale down and compete against Williams.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by OzanA » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:58 pm

It seems like Alonso will test MCL34

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by GoranF1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:07 pm

OzanA wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:58 pm
It seems like Alonso will test MCL34
He will top that day's time sheet, and than haters will come out and blame karma on him again.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:22 pm

OzanA wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:58 pm
It seems like Alonso will test MCL34
Maybe they're targeting a very high lap count and need the extra personnel.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:24 pm

Do you think this is a good sign? So on the simulator, he saw the chassis potential?

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Manoah2u » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:27 pm

_cerber1 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:24 pm
Do you think this is a good sign? So on the simulator, he saw the chassis potential?
good god. he's testing for the team because he's (most) experienced.

stop making stuff up as if he'll be in the seat after this test. #-o :roll:
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:30 pm

Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:27 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:24 pm
Do you think this is a good sign? So on the simulator, he saw the chassis potential?
good god. he's testing for the team because he's (most) experienced.

stop making stuff up as if he'll be in the seat after this test. #-o :roll:
I actually asked, not claimed!

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by RonDennis » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:04 pm

Only 4 days left. 8)

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Jackles-UK » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 pm

_cerber1 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:24 pm
Do you think this is a good sign? So on the simulator, he saw the chassis potential?
Neither a good nor bad sign but having someone as experienced and technically adept as Alonso available to verify and shakedown their 2018 baseline is only ever going to be a positive thing. Norris has never had to shoulder this responsibility and Sainz never with McLaren.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by CMSMJ1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:36 am

So ^^ another tobacco company hiding in plain sight? AKA Mission Winnow etc?
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by FrukostScones » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:40 am

CMSMJ1 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:36 am
So ^^ another tobacco company hiding in plain sight? AKA Mission Winnow etc?
cough cough,

corporate greed knows no morals.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:58 am

With tobacco sponsors, McLaren has always performed well.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:02 pm

They didn't mention if the car will carry any sponsorship logos. Interesting.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:42 pm

M840TR wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:02 pm
They didn't mention if the car will carry any sponsorship logos. Interesting.
Yeah, I noticed they didn't mention anything about branding on the cars etc. Maybe the recent drama with mission winnow is a factor?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.