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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm

The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.


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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm
The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 11104?s=21
Good catch

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:40 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm
The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 11104?s=21
They've done a bit of fiddling but it's very far from the Alfa/Ferrari solution that has been suggested by the professional commentators out there. It looks like they've opened the slot gap in the last couple of inches by making the fixed portion of the flap sit at a slightly lower angle.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Mr.G » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:44 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm
The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 11104?s=21
This is nice example that the parts need some time to be produced. Lot of people see Mercedes like almighty gods, but here we can see that even them are not able to redraw and produce whole new FW in two weeks time...
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:47 pm

mantikos wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm
The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 11104?s=21
Good catch
Thank you. Credit also to Mr. Fabrega for his great spy photography.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:51 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:40 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:17 pm
The front wing flaps have clearly been repositioned for Melbourne. You can see where the carbon fiber surgery has taken place in these comparison shots.

It is clearly a convergence toward a flap profile more conducive to outwash.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 11104?s=21
They've done a bit of fiddling but it's very far from the Alfa/Ferrari solution that has been suggested by the professional commentators out there. It looks like they've opened the slot gap in the last couple of inches by making the fixed portion of the flap sit at a slightly lower angle.
I just want to be clear that I wasn't insinuating that this can be directly compared to the Alfa/Ferrari wings (and I don't think that you were trying to say that I was, either; I think your comment was directed at the "professional commentators").

However, it is apparent that this iteration of the front wing is a step in that direction with how/where the ends of the top flaps are meeting the end plate now. The flap profile has flattened out somewhat as a consequence. It's a step toward trying to maximize the outwash effect.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:56 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:51 pm
I don't think that you were trying to say that I was, either; I think your comment was directed at the "professional commentators").
Correct. Not aimed at you at all.
However, it is apparent that this iteration of the front wing is a step in that direction with how/where the ends of the top flaps are meeting the end plate now. The flap profile has flattened out somewhat as a consequence. It's a step toward trying to maximize the outwash effect.
They're definitely fiddling with it, that much is clear. It is a small change, however, at this stage. I have no doubt they'll continue to play with this area as they learn how it interacts with the rest of the car. I agree that the flap has been flattened slightly to give it a slightly flatter angle. The slot gaps has been opened too. Presumably to try to get some more air though to interact with the endplate vortex.

S'funny how Mercedes said, at the start of testing, that they'd played with this concept early on but couldn't get it to work. And now here they are playing with it again. I guess they're learning as they go.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Blaze1 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm

I haven't noticed any difference myself (poor angles for comparison) other than evidence that some work has been carried out, but what that work is don't seem clear to me.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:08 pm

Blaze1 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm
I haven't noticed any difference myself (poor angles for comparison) other than evidence that some work has been carried out, but what that work is don't seem clear to me.
They've lower the top 2 slots close to the end plate by a few inches

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:12 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:56 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:51 pm
I don't think that you were trying to say that I was, either; I think your comment was directed at the "professional commentators").
Correct. Not aimed at you at all.
However, it is apparent that this iteration of the front wing is a step in that direction with how/where the ends of the top flaps are meeting the end plate now. The flap profile has flattened out somewhat as a consequence. It's a step toward trying to maximize the outwash effect.
They're definitely fiddling with it, that much is clear. It is a small change, however, at this stage. I have no doubt they'll continue to play with this area as they learn how it interacts with the rest of the car. I agree that the flap has been flattened slightly to give it a slightly flatter angle. The slot gaps has been opened too. Presumably to try to get some more air though to interact with the endplate vortex.

S'funny how Mercedes said, at the start of testing, that they'd played with this concept early on but couldn't get it to work. And now here they are playing with it again. I guess they're learning as they go.
This is nowhere close to that concept

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Blaze1 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:13 pm

mantikos wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:08 pm
Blaze1 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm
I haven't noticed any difference myself (poor angles for comparison) other than evidence that some work has been carried out, but what that work is don't seem clear to me.
They've lower the top 2 slots close to the end plate by a few inches
It doesn't seem to be apparent in those two pictures, to me anyway.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Blaze1 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:31 pm

Barcelona 2nd Test:
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Australia:
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I really can't see any difference in the Barcelona and Australia front wing profiles.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:15 pm

Blaze1 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:31 pm
Barcelona 2nd Test:
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https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 0635-2.jpg
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 0635-1.jpg

Australia:
https://mediaproxy.tickaroo.com/v3/imag ... ay3folt07m
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 436704.jpg
https://imgr2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 436705.jpg

I really can't see any difference in the Barcelona and Australia front wing profiles.
I can. And these additional photos helped.

Great shots and thanks for posting.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zioture » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:33 pm

Front wing like test 2 Barcellona
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by tranquility2k4 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:37 pm

To me, underneath Australia there is the Barcelona wing in the top picture and the new one on the picture below. So they have both wings on show I assume? To me in the new wing the whole of the top flap with Petronas written on appears thinner. Also the connectors between the flaps are black on old wing but silver in new one?