2019 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 29 - 31

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willmesquita wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 22:25
I am more eager to see how midfield teams will perform: Haas, Renault, Alfa, McLaren and Force India are the main reason I will follow Bahrein GP.
I'll try to avoid watching this, it will makes me sad to see Renault in that mix

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If Ferrari will fail in Bahrain too, then we will hear standard comment like "we are going to bring very, very big upgrade on 1st Europe GP in Barcelona".

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GPR -A wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 14:16
zibby43 wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 08:46
Which brings me to my next point, being on the second row in Bahrain isn't nearly as bad as being on the second row in Melbourne.
Draggy cars, slower on the straights, bigger DRS effect and if the changes expected out of front wing simplification works and helps following easier, then this track should be loaded with overtakes. That would take away the difficulty of starting from 2nd or 3rd row.
Completely agree.

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Just a thought on performance,

In Australia Merc were in a league of their own.
In Testing Ferrari looked on top (but not by the gap Merc were in Aus)

Now Bahrain, I would say its not too different to the circuit in Australia.
In Australia Turns 1, 2, 4, 5, 11, 12, 14, 16 are all fast corners.
In Bahrain Turns 2, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13 all fast.

So even though Melbourne is a street circuit, its not like a normal street circuit.

The next thing I want to add is when it comes to performance in todays F1. The most crucial factor is getting the tyres in to the perfect operating window.

Now with such small windows, just think how important track temperatures are . remembering this and having a quick look on google at the temps now in Melbourne, we have highs this week of 31'c.
Temps this week in Bahrain are highs of 30'c so almost exactly the same as Melbourne.

Now we look at when Ferrari looked so good last month in Barcelona, the temps google is telling me they had were 18'c, 14'c, 18'c, 15'c for the final test. Thats so much cooler than in Melbourne and Barcelona.

I would say that the performance in Melbourne will be closer to Bahrain than the cold testing in Barcelona will be. The tyres now days are so important with the tiny operating windows that it cant be ignored when Melbourne and Bahrain are so similar in temperature. With track layouts I see the biggest difference being Bahrain just had more and longer straights.
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I think one of the big traits of Melbourne is that it’s bumpy and low grip, Bahrain is not?
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Phil wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 15:25
I think one of the big traits of Melbourne is that it’s bumpy and low grip, Bahrain is not?
Bahrain is as smooth as a snooker table.
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Unf wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 22:34
If Ferrari will fail in Bahrain too, then we will hear standard comment like "we are going to bring very, very big upgrade on 1st Europe GP in Barcelona".
Well, if a big update is needed it needs to be tested in CFD, manufactured, tested in Windtunnel and then brought to the car. This will take time and given Ligistics etc. the best place and time for it to happen is the first European Grand Prix. So there is a reason for the "standard" comment.

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Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.

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santos wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:39
Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.
I agree. Please people, let's keep any conclusions and speculation about Ferrari for after the race. There is a whole midfield of razor edge competition for instance to talk about.
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santos wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:39
Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.
Well, I think it works, and should, both ways. In Winter Testing also, it was all about Ferrari, but in a positive way. So it is quite natural.

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santos wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:39
Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.
Ferrari's low performance is the biggest surprise. That's all. What esle can we say about Mercedes? They were, they are and they will be the best. Boring. We also knew that Williams will be a crap. And it is a crap. There is also not surprising that Mclaren is still weak, as Renault is. Maybe good Honda's performance with RBR car is quite interesting but at the end there is nothing more "hot" than Ferrari's weakness so discuss is how it is... in my opinion ;)

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turbof1 wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:42
santos wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:39
Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.
I agree. Please people, let's keep any conclusions and speculation about Ferrari for after the race. There is a whole midfield of razor edge competition for instance to talk about.
Sorry, that mid-field battle is like, the crowd fighting outside for getting a ticket to enter a boxing match, while the show is, the boxing match between the star boxers. :)

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GPR -A wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 18:12
turbof1 wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:42
santos wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:39
Please don't get me wrong, everyone is free to speak. But it's thursday, and since sunday all the talk is about Ferrari. And people gets mad about them receving such a big prize… well, almos every site or fórum, the main conversation and news are about Ferrari.
I agree. Please people, let's keep any conclusions and speculation about Ferrari for after the race. There is a whole midfield of razor edge competition for instance to talk about.
Sorry, that mid-field battle is like, the crowd fighting outside for getting a ticket to enter a boxing match, while the show is, the boxing match between the star boxers. :)
You really are the helping, progressive kind, aren't you GPR-A? :P
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I am a Ferrari disliker, but just reading a few of the posts above shows why Ferrari get extra payments. Its because they are talked about.
Mind, I bet we could get some mileage by excluding Ferrari racing for a year :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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turbof1 wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 18:17
GPR -A wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 18:12
turbof1 wrote:
21 Mar 2019, 16:42


I agree. Please people, let's keep any conclusions and speculation about Ferrari for after the race. There is a whole midfield of razor edge competition for instance to talk about.
Sorry, that mid-field battle is like, the crowd fighting outside for getting a ticket to enter a boxing match, while the show is, the boxing match between the star boxers. :)
You really are the helping, progressive kind, aren't you GPR-A? :P
I can tell you, i am not a socialist when it comes to sporting competitions. :)

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